Wednesday, March 3, 1999

Violent J • Interview • Alone With Violent J • Part 3

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Alone With Violent J • Part 3
"THE DARK CARNIVAL DEFINED"

What about this crazy Dark Carnival shit?

Hey fuck you ninja. If you think it's crazy then don’t ask me about it. It you wanna know what The Dark Carnival is, rephrase the fuckin' question. That's all mother fuckers do all day is ask me "hey tell us about the Dark Carnival" then as you sit there and tell them, they got some half ass smile on there face like they’re entertained by how crazy you are. What do you think I'm a freak show and nows the part that you get to see how crazy I am? Fuck you!

OK, Please explain to the readers. The Dark Carnival.

(Drinking the last of his water and then pitching it across the room and into a garbage can, he explains with excitement) Look, some people are just chilling, living they're life and then all the sudden BANG! They flip out and go into an insane asylum out of nowhere, right? Other people are chilling and all the sudden BOOM! They catch the Holy Ghost and become a religious fanatic. Other people all the sudden change and do other things right? Well for me and Shaggy, we were just chilling when all the sudden our souls jumped into the Dark Carnival. I've never had a purpose in my life until then. It didn’t matter it I was here or not. I was nothing more than a grain of sand on a big ass beach. I was just another hair on a fat gorilla's ass. Ever since the Carnival, now feel like I have a purpose. I have a reason to be here, fuck that I don't feel like that, I know that shit.

The Dark Carnival's messages are in our lyrics. It's almost like all our lyrics are in code to the whole world. Nobody really hears what we're saying except for the Juggalos. They hear us. They know exactly what we're saying. Only a special open minded, street mutha fuckin' Juggalo can hear The Dark Carnival speaking to him threw our music. The Critics, the magazines, MTV and other bands.. Yeah they still hate us, but that's just because they don't understand us. They can’t hear what we're really saying. So to them we just suck. They're not listening for it so they'll never hear it. That's Fine. Fuck them. I Could give two fucks and a bitch slap what they think about Insane Clown Posse.

The Dark Carnival preaches to everyone in many different ways. Me and Shaggy are just one of it's ways to reach people. For example, even an old lady that plays Bingo every weekend will eventually hear the words of the Dark Carnival only it will be through a different outlet. Something that interests her will give her the message. Weather or not she acts upon it is up to her. What ever this force is, it reaches us all, whether you heed its warnings or not is your own choice.

What does the Dark Carnival do? Why does it exist?

This is what I vision. This is what will happen to those that received the Dark Carnival's messages threw us. After death, your soul will stand up out of your body. You will all the sudden see The Dark Carnival's parade of wagons rolling towards you. Lead by the 6 Joker's Card faces on giant flags and an entire parade of ghost and wagons following them. You'll know right when you see them that there not with God and not with the Devil... These wagons are about to take you to one of them though. You’re about to face judgement.

See, I think The Dark Carnival might neutral group of ghosts. Existing between heaven and hell. Because in life, it's warnings just open your eyes and show you what you are. They let you choose weather or not you feel you need to make a change in yourself. Once you die, they gladly take you to heaven or hell, which ever you deserve. In life, they just hold up a mirror to you and let you figure the rest out. That’s why I call it a warning. Cause most of us are fucked up people and we don’t even know it. Maybe a good look at yourself will open your eyes..

So I think after you die, The Carnival’s wagons will deliver your soul to it's resting-place. I think it's wagons take the good people to Shangrila (a heaven type place). The people that listened to it's words and changed their self for the better. The people that heeded it's warnings and realized that it sucks to be an evil bastard your whole life. I think it enjoys taking them to Shangri-La. It love's to take them. It probably takes them and congratulates them all the way there. It celebrates with them. It's clowns and jugglers sing , dance, and juggle all around them. They treat you like a king or a queen as they carry you of to paradise.

I also think those very same wagons carry evil souls to hell. I think it enjoys doing that too. It loves to taunt and humiliate the people that ignored it's warnings during life. The people that laughed at it's words and continued on with there selfish and evil lives all the way up until death. It loves to carry there wicked souls off to the fire pits of hell. It's clowns and jugglers laugh and taunt them all the way there. It makes the evil souls enter carnival exhibits and take rides that show them all there own mistakes and shoves it in their face. The House of Mirrors, The Murder Go Round, The Fun House, and more all the way to hell. We've explained and we continue to explain all of this threw our music.

It loves to reward the people who heeded it's warnings and it loves to punish those who laughed at it's warnings. Everybody in the world will hear it's words before they die. It will reach us all, weather or not you act upon it is up to you. The Dark Carnival is like one big "I Told you so" thing I guess.

Where do you believe you fit in with all this?

Right now were just some messengers for it. But when we die, I probably wont go to Shangri-La or to Hell, I believe that I'll be driving one of those wagons with the Dark Carnival. I'll be just another clown both congratulating and taunting souls. That's sort of what I'm thinking when I write things like, for example in The Show Must Go On, I say walk hand and hand with the dead carnival"... See what I'm saying? I'm saying the Dark Carnival will take you to your resting-place. Take my hand and I'll lead you to heaven or hell. Which ever you deserve. We warn people of what happens' after death to try to save them now. But if they laugh at us now and continue living life as an evil bastard, I'll laugh at them as I take them to hell. I know it's real cause we are it's magic.

I think they chose us probably cause when I was a kid and I lived in that Haunted House, I talked with them ghosts. I respected that we were living in there house. I knew it was still there house. Who ever the ghost were probably lived there when they died. He or she may have even built that house themselves. When they died, the County or City or whatever probably just took it and sold it to someone else. That's not fair. It they owned that house than that house should go down with them. Just cause you die doesn’t give somebody else the right to all the sudden sell your shit of. We were living in there house and I was sorry. We told the ghost that. I explained that my mom never meant to intrude and that we didn’t know when we rented the house. I loved them. They protected us. So that was probably our connection to the spirit world. Maybe my homie ghost put the good word in for us. They knew I was cool. Maybe, I don’t fuckin know.

Do the 6 Jokers Cards explain what The Dark Carnival is?

I Just explained what it is. The 6 Jokers Cards show you 6 different sides of yourself that you might have over looked. They help to show you your own evils ...Each Jokers Card is another version of you. For example, take The Ringmaster... Imagine if after you die, all your sins combined into one big monster... How big would your monster be? Ask your self that. Can you take down your own sin monster? If you cant, then your burning in Hell. If you can, than your of to Shangri-La. That's what the Ringmaster is (the 2nd .Iokers Card). Read the credits, listen to the intros. It's all explained on that album, weather it be the lyrics or in the credits. It's all there. Each Joker's cards shows you another way to look at your self. The Dark Carnival is just showing people how evil they can sometimes be without knowing it. You get to see yourself in 6 different ways before death. You can hear the messages plain as day. You don’t have to be a genius to hear them. You just have to be a regular, every day, open-minded Juggalo. What you think is a message, probably is. For example the song "Fuck Your Rebel flag" off Carnival Of Carnage (The 1st Joker's Card) it clearly says fuck racist people! Don’t be a bigot! That’s' what I mean by messages. Some go deeper than that, and some are bold and plain. But there all in there.

What about the stealing cars and all that shit you've done? Doesn’t that mean your going to Hell?

I don’t know. Probably. I do know this.. I wish I hadn’t stole all them stereos back then. That shit was wack. Them people probably busted there asses to pay for that shit. All they wanted to do was listen to a little bit of music on there way to work and back and I had to take that away from them. That was some bullshit. I've done alot of wack shit in my life. I Think I'm a better ninja now that I see the whole picture. Today I'm more likely to steal a stereo from a millionaire and give it to a scrub. When I think about that shit, I realize that Shaggy and his brother John weren't really doing anything bad by stealing all them books and CD's and shit. I mean, them stores got money, there big ass corporations. Who gives a fuck. They lose millions a year to theft, it's probably all calculated into the profits. But taking something from an individual is scantless. For example, if I stole a toaster from K-Mart that really ain’t shit. Nobody really suffers over that. If I stole YOUR toaster, that's wack. Cause you don’t get to have any toast tomorrow morning. That's a greedy and a heartless thing to do. I believe shit like that is evil.

The most important thing The Dark Carnival has taught me about getting my shit together and becoming a better ninja is this... You shouldn’t be a cool ninja just because your scared of going to Hell when you die.. You should be a cool ninja cause it's cool to be a cool ninja! Understand ninja? Cool.

What about the people that think your crazy?

I am crazy. I'm crazy fresh. I look at it like this. You got 2 clowns running around rappin' about your soul. Yelling about how there gonna take you to Heaven if you are the shit or take you to Hell if your a dick. Yeah that sounds pretty crazy, but what do you think ninjas were thinkin' when Noah was running around with a long ass beard and a wooden staff? Telling everyone that it's going to rain for a month? "Come get on my Ark!! It's going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights! You're all gonna drown!!" That shit probably sounded nuts too! I would have thought he was crazy just for calling it an ark instead of a boat! The few open-minded ninjas that actually did listen to him were mad lucky. The rest got mad wet.

Do you feel like the Noah of today?

Do you see me sportin' a toga mutha fucka? We ain't saying nothing like that! All we're saying is hey, look at your self bitch! Your an evil mother fucker! And then again, that's only like 10% percent of the music, the rest is about having fun! There ain't no message behind 90% of our shit. Songs like Cemetery Girl or Shaggy's Fuck Off! or even Southwest Voodoo are just to bob your nugget too. You can go listen to Rage Against The Machine if you want 100% messages all the time. Fuck! We like to get live and act stupid as often as possible! This ain't church! We ain't no fuckin' saints! We like telling scary stories in our music too! We like talking about murder and all that. That shit's wicked! The Dark Carnival is the Dark Carnival, but ICP is ICP. Insane Clown Posse is all about nothing! Have some fuckin' fun! We'll tell a hot chick to fuck off just cause nobody ever tells her that. That's ICP! We'll tell a bitch that in a minute. The Dark Carnival is some deep shit to think about, but I very much believe in God too. Believe me I'd rather float in Heaven than drive a wagon after I die, but looking at the life I lead right now, I doubt I’ll be able to. I try to be religious or whatever but I'm just shitty right now. When I get older I'll probably try to get my shit straight. ICP is about bitches, Faygo, Juggalos, and dumb shit. Do I feel like the Noah of today? Naa, I feel more like Noah is the Violent J of yesterday. If I was Noah, I would have changed my name to Juggaloah and built a big ass surf board and surfed my ass all over the planet. Fuck collecting' Lamas and shit.

What Happens after the Six Joker's Cards are all released?

We sit around and wait to die. Time will consume us all. Might happen that night, might happen 30 years later. All I know is after that, my job is done. I've givin' all the warnings and I've opened many eyes. Maybe not your bitch ass eyes, but I've opened eyes none the less. Me and Shaggy might kill ourselves and we might kill yourselves. We might tour with the Monkeys. Who the fuck knows? I might sit and play the sitar naked on top of a pine tree with the top pine up my ass! Who cares? As long as we have unleashed all 6 prophets of the Dark Carnival and all 6 are circulating inside this world, my work is finished. If the world doesn’t explode. well probably keep rappin and touring but who knows? I might keep warning people. We might release 6 more Joker's cards. And then 6 more! Put them all together and that’s 3 sets of 6! Triple sixes! Then Marylyn Manson will jump out and we all strip down to our panties and dance! Who the 'mutha fuck knows? Maybe the skies will turn black and souls will scream in terror so loud that it can be herd all throughout the universe.

Ok... Wow. That was some deep shit man. You had me wanting to go to church or something. Ok..

new subject. Why do you use the word Bitch so much? Do you care if you offend women?

No more than I care if I offend a man. Who gives a fuck? Women want to be treated as an equal right? That's what I do. They lucky I don’t beat they ass just as quick as I'd beat a dudes! (laughing) I'm only playing’. I'll call a bitch a bitch just as quick as I'll call a guy a bitch. Women make up half the world. Fat women make up more than half (laughing). Women run this planet. I love women. I love to fuck women. But I don’t give no breaks to anyone in my music. You think I'd give a fuck if a women's organization was protesting one of my shows? Hell no! I'd go out there and squeeze there asses! Then I'd say something like.. "Hey bitch, nice ass" or maybe something fresh like, "You got a name to go with them titties? 

Women, men, kids, old people, what the fuck. We're all the same. People need to quit crying about stupid shit all the time. Come on man, I'm sure. Like any rapper out there really means harm by using the word bitch. Think about how stupid that is. Do you have any idea how many times I use the word bitch when I'm describing Shaggy? (laughing with Billy Bill) I mean, I call guys bitches all day. Me and my crew refer to everybody as a bitch. Any lady that gets pissed about me referring to chicks as bitches in my music can go fuck themselves. Plus think about this... If I called you a fag would you get pissed? Probably not as much as you would if you really were gay! So when my homies call me a fag it's funny cause I ain’t gay. If I was gay that shit would probably hurt my feelings and I'd cry about it or something. So why do some women get pissed about rappers calling them bitches? Cause they’re bitches! Real women over look that stupid shit. Real women know that we really don't mean anything by that. We're just trying to sound tough. Real women don't get offended by some rap record that says bitch on it. They got bigger shit to think about. But if you take some lame ass bitch that ain’t got shit going on in her life, and she'll make a big deal out of it. Women and men are exactly the same in this world. Just as many wack dudes as there are out there, you' got tons of wack bitches too. I respect both the fuckin' same. You'd have to be an idiot not to. The only people that I consider below me are the people that always cry about dumb shit like that. I'm a bitch killer! Men bitches and bitch bitches bitch! So in the infamous words of Todd Shaw...(Too Short) "Byyyyaattch!"

How do you feel about people that beat women?

You know how I feel about it. Plain and simple, if you beat your woman then you’re a bitch. Unless you walk in the house and catch her fuckin' your homie or something. Then you should do what ever comes natural in my opinion. If I was married and I caught my wife fucking the mailman, I’d choke slam that bitch off my roof. But if you just take some wack ninja that's a piece of shit and he comes home drunk and beats his woman, that's a sad mother fucker. Think about that shit. Almost every female has a story about getting hit to. Think about that.. She's sitting there at the house waiting for that ninja to come home so she can be with him. Then he finally gets home and he beats her ass cause he had a bad day. That shit makes me want to kill somebody. He's probably a pansy ass all day long taking shit from everybody. Then he crawls in his house and all the sudden he's a bad mother fucker. All the sudden he's the king and the only person he rules is the one that's there to love him. He's such a punk that he has to beat her so that he feels powerful or something.

I saw a commercial on TV that triggered all my feelings about this. This weak looking' guy and his woman were sitting in bed. They could hear an argument going on in the apartment above them. They could hear some guy beating his wife or whatever. So they were looking at each other wondering if they should do something about it, but instead they just cut the lights out and went to bed. That shit made no want to explode. If that was me, I would have ran up there and started beating the hell out of who ever lived there. I Don’t give a fuck if Goldberg came to the door. I would have sacked that mother fucker threw the wall. That’s why I got in trouble half the time. I'm always trying to be a super hero when it ain’t my business, but I give no fuck. I Think that guy and his wife should have been shot for just ignoring that. Who could sit threw that and just go to sleep. The worst thing about it is millions of kids everywhere have to every night.

When I lived downtown, in Cass corridor. I could always hear this lady getting fucked in the other apartment. I Use to want to jump in there and help fuck that lady! I Always want to get involved with shit. Anyway quit asking about shit like that. That just gets me pissed and you’ve been getting me pissed alot all day. I'm about to punch that mouth off your face.

ICP's lyrics offend alot of parents.. How do you feel about that?

When I answer this, I want you to know that I really mean it. I truly, really, sincerely could give a rat's ass. I can't think of anything I care less about than that. The way I feel about that whole topic is like Esham said in a song.. "You think I give a fuck if I make your grandma cry?" That couldn’t have been said any better. He summed it all up right there. Of all the shit to be stressin' about in my every day life, the last thing on my mind has got to be some mom's feelings about my lyrics.

What you and your mom got to realize is that she is YOUR mom, not mine. I got my own mom to worry about. So when your mom writes me a letter that says.. "This is Jimmy's MOTHER!!!!" Does she honestly think that intimidates me or something? Moms ain’t nothing but older grown up chicks! Think about it! There was a time when your mom was at a party or something and a group of ninjas were standing around, hawkin' her. They were probably like "Damn dog, I wanna fuck that bitch man... Yeah, that's that chick Ralph banged. He said that freak can fuck". Yeah it's wack to think about that, but fuck you! It's true! Your mom was once a hood rat in the hood! So with that in mind, do you think I care what she thinks about my songs? Look at it like this... What do you think I would do if some 18 year old, stacked ass hottie walked up to me at an instore (autograph signing session at a record store) and said... "Hey, I think you suck. If I had it my way, I'd have you removed from all the record stores in this country. I'd take away everything you've done and have them lock you up. You're a piece of shit buddy" ... What do think I'd do? The least thing I'd do is tell that bitch to eat shit and die! I'd be like "Bitch! What did you say? You bettor raise up before I have one of my home girls stomp your ass!" I wouldn’t take that from an l8 year old hottie now or a few years later when she's your mom. Your mom and daddy ain’t nothing but you in a few years anyway. I'll tell them to fuck off just as quick as I'd tell you too!

Sounds like you've got this thing all figured out huh?

That's right. Moms and dads are always throwing the fact that they’re somebody’s parents around like that fuckin' matters. Do you know how many times kids go to my concerts and have their parents show up at the door trying to drag them out? Do you know what happens when they do? The ninja at the door is like .."Sorry miss, the show is sold out". Then the mom says "Well sir, I'm blaa blaa's MOTHER. I’m going in there RIGHT NOW!" Then she tries to walk past the ninja! You know what happens then? The ninja puts her in a head lock and slams her against the wall and tosses her out! She has to realize that she might be blaa blaa's mother, but that don’t mean shit to the rest of us! Neither does your mom... or my mom! Yes, our moms might rule and control us... but your mom only rules you, and my mom only rules me. That's how I see it when it comes to somebody else's mom sweating me. If I'm at my homies house yeah, I'll respect the shit out of his parents and all that, but you know what I'm saying.

Let me just tell you this one story that I call "The 3 Mistakes", then I'll drop the whole subject. I'll tell you the story and you try to figure out the 3 mistakes that where made that day. I love this story...
When I was about 19, I was with my homies at this chick's house named Danielle. Anyway, my boy fucked her and we left her house and went home. About an hour goes by and she calls me and says "Hey... you stole a watch from my house".. I said "What? No I didn’t. I didn’t steal shit." Then she says something like "Yes you did! I know you did. You always steal stuff from peoples houses!". I said "Bitch, I didn’t steal your watch and that’s it.. fuck you!" I hung up the phone. Anyway Danielle kept calling and saying that I took her watch and her dad was going to kill her and I kept telling her to fuck off. Finally she stopped calling. After a few hours goes by the phone rings again... I pick it up.. "Hello?" this is what I hear... "Joe? This is Danielle's MOTHER! When my husband gets home from work tomorrow, that watch had better be left in our mailbox or else!" Can you believe that shit??? I said "BBBYYYAATTCCHHH! Fuck you! I don’t care who's mother fuckin' MOM you are BITCH! Do you think just because your her fuckin' MOM, I all the sudden got that watch??? Fuck off! I ain’t got the fuckin' watch and if I did, I'd come over there and break it in front of you BBYATCH!!" I was so pissed I wanted to slap that hoe. Anyway, get this... 15 minutes goes by and a car comes screeching up in front of my house. Danielle's Dad gets out super pissed off. He slams his car door and comes running up to our door. Guess what happened...

I don’t know, what happened?

I came running right out the house and I met his ass on the lawn. He was shook. He was completely suprised! The first words out of my mouth were "What bitch? What are you gonna do?" He was speechless, but he couldn’t back down then... He had to still at least try to be a man and get in my face, but then he made the fatal mistake of pushing me. He got beat like a bitch right there on my lawn. I beat the hell out of that motherfucker. Then I kicked the shit out of him. Then he crawled back into his car and had to drive all the way back home with a fat lip, a swollen eye, bruised ribs... and no watch.
What do you think they all did wrong? You tell me... What do you think him and his family's mistakes were that day? Where did they all go wrong on that warm summer evening?

I don’t know ninja.. you tell me..

I will tell you, bitch! They made 3 big ass mistakes...

No. 1. That bitch Danielle made the first mistake. She accused me of stealing that watch when she had no real proof or no facts that could actually prove it was me. So on strictly just a good hunch, she made a call like that... She was probably so nervous about the watch missing, that when her mom and daddy got home, she probably told them that she SAW me take if or something. Maybe she told them that I admitted to her that I took it or something like that. That way the blame was totally off of her and on me. That was the first mistake and that was the biggest one, cause that's how this whole shit ended up going down. That's what got her daddy a beat down. Looking at the whole picture, Danielle should have just kept a better eye on that watch. Cause when it came up missing, she sold out and blamed somebody else for it. Right when they came home she probably ran up to them and said "Mom! Dad! This kid name Joe stole your watch! It wasn’t my fault!" Even though everything went downhill for the whole family after that, I'll bet you Danielle was still thinking "Whoo, at least I'm in the clear"... that dumb bitch. That was the first mistake of the day.

Mistake One: Trying to pass the blame on to someone else to save your own ass.
No.2. The second mistake is exactly what we've been talking about. Mom's and Dad’s overstepping there boundaries of power. They have to realize that yes, they DO have power, but only in there own house! Only in their own family! Sometimes parents try to flex that power past their boundaries and they have to watch that shit. Danielle's mom fucked up when she called me and treated me like I was HER kid or something... She said "This is her MOTHER!!!" She failed to realize that I love and respect only MY mother. Not her ass! To me, this was just some old bitch with droopy titties on the other end of my phone. She didn’t mean jack shit to me or my family. So when she came off calling me a thief and threatening me, she got dissed back. That's when her husband came in... He was like "What! He said what honey???? He called you a what!!!?? I'll kill him!!". Once again over stepping his boundaries. Yeah, it's cool to defend your wife and all that, but to just assume that you can handle me because your somebody's dad was a bad move. He figured "OK, here's this little punk over here hangin’ out with my daughter, so He’ll be terrified when I ride up on him... After all... I'm her FATHER". Well you see that was a bad move. That's what got his ass kicked. Cause, yeah, he was Danielle's father, alright, but to me, he was just some old ninja trying to run up on me. So I kicked his ass for it. I don’t even have a father! So I especially don’t give a fuck about this ninja! So Danielle's parents both are guilty of making the second mistake.

Mistake Two: Over stepping your power as a parent.

What was the 3rd mistake?

No 3. The third mistake was leaving that watch just sitting out on the table like that for me to take... (More hysterical laughing with his homie, Billy Bill)

Mistake Three: Trusting Violent J with valuables sitting around.

Well... Doesn’t that fall into the same lines of what you were saying about stealing something from an individual? Don’t you believe that's an evil thing to do?

Now I do. Besides, did I say I took watch, bitch?

No you didn’t really say you if you did or didn’t… Did you?

Don’t fuckin' worry about it. That don’t fuckin' matter. Don’t you got the moral of the fuckin' story? It's about parents thinking they’re the shit too much. Now you are just confusing ninjas. We already covered the topic of stealing shit, mother fucker. How about I punch you? Were done with this subject. Lets move on now... first let me piss…

(J gets up and leaves the room. After a minute or so, I look up after checking my notes and I notice that Billy Bill is staring directly at me with a ruthless look. I quickly look back down at my folder. About 20 seconds pass and I glance up again. He hasn’t moved an inch. He is staring right at me as if he doesn’t like me at all. I'm a bit concerned because I know that Billy Bill has a big reputation of beating people down all the time. I've heard about this numerous times. I Finally speak... "So, how long have you and J known each other?" (He says nothing at all. He just keeps staring right at me. I try to continue with my brave questioning) "Are you guys going----" (interrupted)

Billy Bill says: Shut your mouth until he gets back in here.

(I quickly shut my mouth and dig back into my notes as if nothing was said at all. After about 2 more of the longest, most stressful minutes of my life, J finally walks back in. He's got a bag of popcorn and 2 cans of Faygo from the machine just outside the door. He tosses Billy Bill a can of Faygo and cracks the other open for himself. He doesn’t toss me shit. I continue my questioning.) Well, tell me about the ICP Dolls that are coming out in March.

We got some dolls coming out. They’re the shit (chewing his popcorn). We got one for each of us. My guy comes with a little plastic axe. Shaggy's comes with a voodoo spear. They both come in one package. We had those other ones made but they were wack. They were like some big ass Ken dolls or something. They were being made by Hollywood Records and when they dropped us, the whole shit got canned. We still got the prototype dolls though. I have some in my collection. My collection is mad weak. I’m missing more than half the shit we put out. I always give that shit away. Anyway, I think the action figures are going to be sold at some record stores and those novelty places in the malls that sell all that weird shit like 3 Stooges clocks or whatever. Spencer’s or whatever it's called. I don’t fuckin' know what they’re going to do with them. Why the fuck are you asking me about this shit? Ask Alex that shit. Ask me something fresh.

How is your relationship with Shaggy?

Are you running out of shit to ask or what? What the fuck do you expect me to say? All you hear is these other bands talking about all the troubles they have in the studio with each other on the road and shit. Just watch that shit on VH1. They do these documentaries on bands and all they ever do is hate each other. Fuck them fake ass business bands.

What’s it like in the studio?

Shit... You’d shit your panties like a bitch. Everyone would if they saw the magic. We rarely show anybody though. When people are over Mike's we always front about everything. We just try to sit there and run a regular session until they leave. Mike will never publicly tell people about the Dark Carnival. My guess is that he might have tried at first, but people probably just dissed him so hard that he gave it up now. He probably just figures "Fuck it! Why tell people?" Me and Shaggy love the dissing we get though. We love the fact that people hate us. No one believes us. That's the whole fun of it. That’s the whole game. Do you believe it or not? We tell everyone that will listen about the spirits that we run with. The spirits tell their homies about us too. I'll bet.

There is 5 of us in the studio at all times. Me, Shaggy, Mike, Legs, and The Dark Carnival. The Dark Carnival runs that bitch. What ever it wants, it gets. When it's supposed to be a certain way we can all feel it. There is never any question. When we go against that feeling and do something else, everything shakes on Mike's walls. Fuckin' ask anybody that's been down there when it happens. I love that crazy shit. I freak my best homies out with that shit. They always think it's some kind of trick. I showed my mom that shit. She was just as freaked out as when we lived in that haunted house. The Dark Carnival oversees everything we do. Everything has to be it's way and we wouldn’t want it any other way.

OK... lets get back to your friendship with Shaggy…

We ain't like these other bitch ass bands. We hang out when there ain’t shit to do with ICP happening that day. Fuck him though. He's wack to talk too. When you’ve known somebody for something like 12 years and hung out with them constantly the whole time, there ain't nothing to say. What do you say to a ninja that you've known your whole life? They've already heard your opinion on everything. They 've already heard every story you've got to tell. So me and Shaggy will be on a plane sitting right next to each other and we won’t say shit. We know each other too good. That's why we always hang out with so many other ninjas. But most ninjas come around and hang with us cause they think we're about what rock stars are about... Dope, money, fame and party’s. But after a while, they see that we ain't about shit! Wait, let me rephrase that, after a while they see that we ain't like the rest of them bands and so they jet out. We stay hidden, fuck that fame shit. Usually they jet out cause they think we're crazy! We talk to spirits and we dance with the dead under the moonlight. That's the kind of shit we do with our time. We come to nobody, they all come to us. We leave from nobody, they all leave from us. Look at the history of Psychopathic employees and rappers that have all come and gone... Project Born... Fink the East Side G... Frank G... Spudler... and more. One thing ninjas can count on and that's ICP and Psychopathic always staying together, cause we're just like butt cheeks… We just don’t make any noise unless we're pressed together. Byatch.




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