Wednesday, March 3, 1999

Violent J • Interview • Alone With Violent J • Part 3

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Alone With Violent J • Part 3
"THE DARK CARNIVAL DEFINED"

What about this crazy Dark Carnival shit?

Hey fuck you ninja. If you think it's crazy then don’t ask me about it. It you wanna know what The Dark Carnival is, rephrase the fuckin' question. That's all mother fuckers do all day is ask me "hey tell us about the Dark Carnival" then as you sit there and tell them, they got some half ass smile on there face like they’re entertained by how crazy you are. What do you think I'm a freak show and nows the part that you get to see how crazy I am? Fuck you!

OK, Please explain to the readers. The Dark Carnival.

(Drinking the last of his water and then pitching it across the room and into a garbage can, he explains with excitement) Look, some people are just chilling, living they're life and then all the sudden BANG! They flip out and go into an insane asylum out of nowhere, right? Other people are chilling and all the sudden BOOM! They catch the Holy Ghost and become a religious fanatic. Other people all the sudden change and do other things right? Well for me and Shaggy, we were just chilling when all the sudden our souls jumped into the Dark Carnival. I've never had a purpose in my life until then. It didn’t matter it I was here or not. I was nothing more than a grain of sand on a big ass beach. I was just another hair on a fat gorilla's ass. Ever since the Carnival, now feel like I have a purpose. I have a reason to be here, fuck that I don't feel like that, I know that shit.

The Dark Carnival's messages are in our lyrics. It's almost like all our lyrics are in code to the whole world. Nobody really hears what we're saying except for the Juggalos. They hear us. They know exactly what we're saying. Only a special open minded, street mutha fuckin' Juggalo can hear The Dark Carnival speaking to him threw our music. The Critics, the magazines, MTV and other bands.. Yeah they still hate us, but that's just because they don't understand us. They can’t hear what we're really saying. So to them we just suck. They're not listening for it so they'll never hear it. That's Fine. Fuck them. I Could give two fucks and a bitch slap what they think about Insane Clown Posse.

The Dark Carnival preaches to everyone in many different ways. Me and Shaggy are just one of it's ways to reach people. For example, even an old lady that plays Bingo every weekend will eventually hear the words of the Dark Carnival only it will be through a different outlet. Something that interests her will give her the message. Weather or not she acts upon it is up to her. What ever this force is, it reaches us all, whether you heed its warnings or not is your own choice.

What does the Dark Carnival do? Why does it exist?

This is what I vision. This is what will happen to those that received the Dark Carnival's messages threw us. After death, your soul will stand up out of your body. You will all the sudden see The Dark Carnival's parade of wagons rolling towards you. Lead by the 6 Joker's Card faces on giant flags and an entire parade of ghost and wagons following them. You'll know right when you see them that there not with God and not with the Devil... These wagons are about to take you to one of them though. You’re about to face judgement.

See, I think The Dark Carnival might neutral group of ghosts. Existing between heaven and hell. Because in life, it's warnings just open your eyes and show you what you are. They let you choose weather or not you feel you need to make a change in yourself. Once you die, they gladly take you to heaven or hell, which ever you deserve. In life, they just hold up a mirror to you and let you figure the rest out. That’s why I call it a warning. Cause most of us are fucked up people and we don’t even know it. Maybe a good look at yourself will open your eyes..

So I think after you die, The Carnival’s wagons will deliver your soul to it's resting-place. I think it's wagons take the good people to Shangrila (a heaven type place). The people that listened to it's words and changed their self for the better. The people that heeded it's warnings and realized that it sucks to be an evil bastard your whole life. I think it enjoys taking them to Shangri-La. It love's to take them. It probably takes them and congratulates them all the way there. It celebrates with them. It's clowns and jugglers sing , dance, and juggle all around them. They treat you like a king or a queen as they carry you of to paradise.

I also think those very same wagons carry evil souls to hell. I think it enjoys doing that too. It loves to taunt and humiliate the people that ignored it's warnings during life. The people that laughed at it's words and continued on with there selfish and evil lives all the way up until death. It loves to carry there wicked souls off to the fire pits of hell. It's clowns and jugglers laugh and taunt them all the way there. It makes the evil souls enter carnival exhibits and take rides that show them all there own mistakes and shoves it in their face. The House of Mirrors, The Murder Go Round, The Fun House, and more all the way to hell. We've explained and we continue to explain all of this threw our music.

It loves to reward the people who heeded it's warnings and it loves to punish those who laughed at it's warnings. Everybody in the world will hear it's words before they die. It will reach us all, weather or not you act upon it is up to you. The Dark Carnival is like one big "I Told you so" thing I guess.

Where do you believe you fit in with all this?

Right now were just some messengers for it. But when we die, I probably wont go to Shangri-La or to Hell, I believe that I'll be driving one of those wagons with the Dark Carnival. I'll be just another clown both congratulating and taunting souls. That's sort of what I'm thinking when I write things like, for example in The Show Must Go On, I say walk hand and hand with the dead carnival"... See what I'm saying? I'm saying the Dark Carnival will take you to your resting-place. Take my hand and I'll lead you to heaven or hell. Which ever you deserve. We warn people of what happens' after death to try to save them now. But if they laugh at us now and continue living life as an evil bastard, I'll laugh at them as I take them to hell. I know it's real cause we are it's magic.

I think they chose us probably cause when I was a kid and I lived in that Haunted House, I talked with them ghosts. I respected that we were living in there house. I knew it was still there house. Who ever the ghost were probably lived there when they died. He or she may have even built that house themselves. When they died, the County or City or whatever probably just took it and sold it to someone else. That's not fair. It they owned that house than that house should go down with them. Just cause you die doesn’t give somebody else the right to all the sudden sell your shit of. We were living in there house and I was sorry. We told the ghost that. I explained that my mom never meant to intrude and that we didn’t know when we rented the house. I loved them. They protected us. So that was probably our connection to the spirit world. Maybe my homie ghost put the good word in for us. They knew I was cool. Maybe, I don’t fuckin know.

Do the 6 Jokers Cards explain what The Dark Carnival is?

I Just explained what it is. The 6 Jokers Cards show you 6 different sides of yourself that you might have over looked. They help to show you your own evils ...Each Jokers Card is another version of you. For example, take The Ringmaster... Imagine if after you die, all your sins combined into one big monster... How big would your monster be? Ask your self that. Can you take down your own sin monster? If you cant, then your burning in Hell. If you can, than your of to Shangri-La. That's what the Ringmaster is (the 2nd .Iokers Card). Read the credits, listen to the intros. It's all explained on that album, weather it be the lyrics or in the credits. It's all there. Each Joker's cards shows you another way to look at your self. The Dark Carnival is just showing people how evil they can sometimes be without knowing it. You get to see yourself in 6 different ways before death. You can hear the messages plain as day. You don’t have to be a genius to hear them. You just have to be a regular, every day, open-minded Juggalo. What you think is a message, probably is. For example the song "Fuck Your Rebel flag" off Carnival Of Carnage (The 1st Joker's Card) it clearly says fuck racist people! Don’t be a bigot! That’s' what I mean by messages. Some go deeper than that, and some are bold and plain. But there all in there.

What about the stealing cars and all that shit you've done? Doesn’t that mean your going to Hell?

I don’t know. Probably. I do know this.. I wish I hadn’t stole all them stereos back then. That shit was wack. Them people probably busted there asses to pay for that shit. All they wanted to do was listen to a little bit of music on there way to work and back and I had to take that away from them. That was some bullshit. I've done alot of wack shit in my life. I Think I'm a better ninja now that I see the whole picture. Today I'm more likely to steal a stereo from a millionaire and give it to a scrub. When I think about that shit, I realize that Shaggy and his brother John weren't really doing anything bad by stealing all them books and CD's and shit. I mean, them stores got money, there big ass corporations. Who gives a fuck. They lose millions a year to theft, it's probably all calculated into the profits. But taking something from an individual is scantless. For example, if I stole a toaster from K-Mart that really ain’t shit. Nobody really suffers over that. If I stole YOUR toaster, that's wack. Cause you don’t get to have any toast tomorrow morning. That's a greedy and a heartless thing to do. I believe shit like that is evil.

The most important thing The Dark Carnival has taught me about getting my shit together and becoming a better ninja is this... You shouldn’t be a cool ninja just because your scared of going to Hell when you die.. You should be a cool ninja cause it's cool to be a cool ninja! Understand ninja? Cool.

What about the people that think your crazy?

I am crazy. I'm crazy fresh. I look at it like this. You got 2 clowns running around rappin' about your soul. Yelling about how there gonna take you to Heaven if you are the shit or take you to Hell if your a dick. Yeah that sounds pretty crazy, but what do you think ninjas were thinkin' when Noah was running around with a long ass beard and a wooden staff? Telling everyone that it's going to rain for a month? "Come get on my Ark!! It's going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights! You're all gonna drown!!" That shit probably sounded nuts too! I would have thought he was crazy just for calling it an ark instead of a boat! The few open-minded ninjas that actually did listen to him were mad lucky. The rest got mad wet.

Do you feel like the Noah of today?

Do you see me sportin' a toga mutha fucka? We ain't saying nothing like that! All we're saying is hey, look at your self bitch! Your an evil mother fucker! And then again, that's only like 10% percent of the music, the rest is about having fun! There ain't no message behind 90% of our shit. Songs like Cemetery Girl or Shaggy's Fuck Off! or even Southwest Voodoo are just to bob your nugget too. You can go listen to Rage Against The Machine if you want 100% messages all the time. Fuck! We like to get live and act stupid as often as possible! This ain't church! We ain't no fuckin' saints! We like telling scary stories in our music too! We like talking about murder and all that. That shit's wicked! The Dark Carnival is the Dark Carnival, but ICP is ICP. Insane Clown Posse is all about nothing! Have some fuckin' fun! We'll tell a hot chick to fuck off just cause nobody ever tells her that. That's ICP! We'll tell a bitch that in a minute. The Dark Carnival is some deep shit to think about, but I very much believe in God too. Believe me I'd rather float in Heaven than drive a wagon after I die, but looking at the life I lead right now, I doubt I’ll be able to. I try to be religious or whatever but I'm just shitty right now. When I get older I'll probably try to get my shit straight. ICP is about bitches, Faygo, Juggalos, and dumb shit. Do I feel like the Noah of today? Naa, I feel more like Noah is the Violent J of yesterday. If I was Noah, I would have changed my name to Juggaloah and built a big ass surf board and surfed my ass all over the planet. Fuck collecting' Lamas and shit.

What Happens after the Six Joker's Cards are all released?

We sit around and wait to die. Time will consume us all. Might happen that night, might happen 30 years later. All I know is after that, my job is done. I've givin' all the warnings and I've opened many eyes. Maybe not your bitch ass eyes, but I've opened eyes none the less. Me and Shaggy might kill ourselves and we might kill yourselves. We might tour with the Monkeys. Who the fuck knows? I might sit and play the sitar naked on top of a pine tree with the top pine up my ass! Who cares? As long as we have unleashed all 6 prophets of the Dark Carnival and all 6 are circulating inside this world, my work is finished. If the world doesn’t explode. well probably keep rappin and touring but who knows? I might keep warning people. We might release 6 more Joker's cards. And then 6 more! Put them all together and that’s 3 sets of 6! Triple sixes! Then Marylyn Manson will jump out and we all strip down to our panties and dance! Who the 'mutha fuck knows? Maybe the skies will turn black and souls will scream in terror so loud that it can be herd all throughout the universe.

Ok... Wow. That was some deep shit man. You had me wanting to go to church or something. Ok..

new subject. Why do you use the word Bitch so much? Do you care if you offend women?

No more than I care if I offend a man. Who gives a fuck? Women want to be treated as an equal right? That's what I do. They lucky I don’t beat they ass just as quick as I'd beat a dudes! (laughing) I'm only playing’. I'll call a bitch a bitch just as quick as I'll call a guy a bitch. Women make up half the world. Fat women make up more than half (laughing). Women run this planet. I love women. I love to fuck women. But I don’t give no breaks to anyone in my music. You think I'd give a fuck if a women's organization was protesting one of my shows? Hell no! I'd go out there and squeeze there asses! Then I'd say something like.. "Hey bitch, nice ass" or maybe something fresh like, "You got a name to go with them titties? 

Women, men, kids, old people, what the fuck. We're all the same. People need to quit crying about stupid shit all the time. Come on man, I'm sure. Like any rapper out there really means harm by using the word bitch. Think about how stupid that is. Do you have any idea how many times I use the word bitch when I'm describing Shaggy? (laughing with Billy Bill) I mean, I call guys bitches all day. Me and my crew refer to everybody as a bitch. Any lady that gets pissed about me referring to chicks as bitches in my music can go fuck themselves. Plus think about this... If I called you a fag would you get pissed? Probably not as much as you would if you really were gay! So when my homies call me a fag it's funny cause I ain’t gay. If I was gay that shit would probably hurt my feelings and I'd cry about it or something. So why do some women get pissed about rappers calling them bitches? Cause they’re bitches! Real women over look that stupid shit. Real women know that we really don't mean anything by that. We're just trying to sound tough. Real women don't get offended by some rap record that says bitch on it. They got bigger shit to think about. But if you take some lame ass bitch that ain’t got shit going on in her life, and she'll make a big deal out of it. Women and men are exactly the same in this world. Just as many wack dudes as there are out there, you' got tons of wack bitches too. I respect both the fuckin' same. You'd have to be an idiot not to. The only people that I consider below me are the people that always cry about dumb shit like that. I'm a bitch killer! Men bitches and bitch bitches bitch! So in the infamous words of Todd Shaw...(Too Short) "Byyyyaattch!"

How do you feel about people that beat women?

You know how I feel about it. Plain and simple, if you beat your woman then you’re a bitch. Unless you walk in the house and catch her fuckin' your homie or something. Then you should do what ever comes natural in my opinion. If I was married and I caught my wife fucking the mailman, I’d choke slam that bitch off my roof. But if you just take some wack ninja that's a piece of shit and he comes home drunk and beats his woman, that's a sad mother fucker. Think about that shit. Almost every female has a story about getting hit to. Think about that.. She's sitting there at the house waiting for that ninja to come home so she can be with him. Then he finally gets home and he beats her ass cause he had a bad day. That shit makes me want to kill somebody. He's probably a pansy ass all day long taking shit from everybody. Then he crawls in his house and all the sudden he's a bad mother fucker. All the sudden he's the king and the only person he rules is the one that's there to love him. He's such a punk that he has to beat her so that he feels powerful or something.

I saw a commercial on TV that triggered all my feelings about this. This weak looking' guy and his woman were sitting in bed. They could hear an argument going on in the apartment above them. They could hear some guy beating his wife or whatever. So they were looking at each other wondering if they should do something about it, but instead they just cut the lights out and went to bed. That shit made no want to explode. If that was me, I would have ran up there and started beating the hell out of who ever lived there. I Don’t give a fuck if Goldberg came to the door. I would have sacked that mother fucker threw the wall. That’s why I got in trouble half the time. I'm always trying to be a super hero when it ain’t my business, but I give no fuck. I Think that guy and his wife should have been shot for just ignoring that. Who could sit threw that and just go to sleep. The worst thing about it is millions of kids everywhere have to every night.

When I lived downtown, in Cass corridor. I could always hear this lady getting fucked in the other apartment. I Use to want to jump in there and help fuck that lady! I Always want to get involved with shit. Anyway quit asking about shit like that. That just gets me pissed and you’ve been getting me pissed alot all day. I'm about to punch that mouth off your face.

ICP's lyrics offend alot of parents.. How do you feel about that?

When I answer this, I want you to know that I really mean it. I truly, really, sincerely could give a rat's ass. I can't think of anything I care less about than that. The way I feel about that whole topic is like Esham said in a song.. "You think I give a fuck if I make your grandma cry?" That couldn’t have been said any better. He summed it all up right there. Of all the shit to be stressin' about in my every day life, the last thing on my mind has got to be some mom's feelings about my lyrics.

What you and your mom got to realize is that she is YOUR mom, not mine. I got my own mom to worry about. So when your mom writes me a letter that says.. "This is Jimmy's MOTHER!!!!" Does she honestly think that intimidates me or something? Moms ain’t nothing but older grown up chicks! Think about it! There was a time when your mom was at a party or something and a group of ninjas were standing around, hawkin' her. They were probably like "Damn dog, I wanna fuck that bitch man... Yeah, that's that chick Ralph banged. He said that freak can fuck". Yeah it's wack to think about that, but fuck you! It's true! Your mom was once a hood rat in the hood! So with that in mind, do you think I care what she thinks about my songs? Look at it like this... What do you think I would do if some 18 year old, stacked ass hottie walked up to me at an instore (autograph signing session at a record store) and said... "Hey, I think you suck. If I had it my way, I'd have you removed from all the record stores in this country. I'd take away everything you've done and have them lock you up. You're a piece of shit buddy" ... What do think I'd do? The least thing I'd do is tell that bitch to eat shit and die! I'd be like "Bitch! What did you say? You bettor raise up before I have one of my home girls stomp your ass!" I wouldn’t take that from an l8 year old hottie now or a few years later when she's your mom. Your mom and daddy ain’t nothing but you in a few years anyway. I'll tell them to fuck off just as quick as I'd tell you too!

Sounds like you've got this thing all figured out huh?

That's right. Moms and dads are always throwing the fact that they’re somebody’s parents around like that fuckin' matters. Do you know how many times kids go to my concerts and have their parents show up at the door trying to drag them out? Do you know what happens when they do? The ninja at the door is like .."Sorry miss, the show is sold out". Then the mom says "Well sir, I'm blaa blaa's MOTHER. I’m going in there RIGHT NOW!" Then she tries to walk past the ninja! You know what happens then? The ninja puts her in a head lock and slams her against the wall and tosses her out! She has to realize that she might be blaa blaa's mother, but that don’t mean shit to the rest of us! Neither does your mom... or my mom! Yes, our moms might rule and control us... but your mom only rules you, and my mom only rules me. That's how I see it when it comes to somebody else's mom sweating me. If I'm at my homies house yeah, I'll respect the shit out of his parents and all that, but you know what I'm saying.

Let me just tell you this one story that I call "The 3 Mistakes", then I'll drop the whole subject. I'll tell you the story and you try to figure out the 3 mistakes that where made that day. I love this story...
When I was about 19, I was with my homies at this chick's house named Danielle. Anyway, my boy fucked her and we left her house and went home. About an hour goes by and she calls me and says "Hey... you stole a watch from my house".. I said "What? No I didn’t. I didn’t steal shit." Then she says something like "Yes you did! I know you did. You always steal stuff from peoples houses!". I said "Bitch, I didn’t steal your watch and that’s it.. fuck you!" I hung up the phone. Anyway Danielle kept calling and saying that I took her watch and her dad was going to kill her and I kept telling her to fuck off. Finally she stopped calling. After a few hours goes by the phone rings again... I pick it up.. "Hello?" this is what I hear... "Joe? This is Danielle's MOTHER! When my husband gets home from work tomorrow, that watch had better be left in our mailbox or else!" Can you believe that shit??? I said "BBBYYYAATTCCHHH! Fuck you! I don’t care who's mother fuckin' MOM you are BITCH! Do you think just because your her fuckin' MOM, I all the sudden got that watch??? Fuck off! I ain’t got the fuckin' watch and if I did, I'd come over there and break it in front of you BBYATCH!!" I was so pissed I wanted to slap that hoe. Anyway, get this... 15 minutes goes by and a car comes screeching up in front of my house. Danielle's Dad gets out super pissed off. He slams his car door and comes running up to our door. Guess what happened...

I don’t know, what happened?

I came running right out the house and I met his ass on the lawn. He was shook. He was completely suprised! The first words out of my mouth were "What bitch? What are you gonna do?" He was speechless, but he couldn’t back down then... He had to still at least try to be a man and get in my face, but then he made the fatal mistake of pushing me. He got beat like a bitch right there on my lawn. I beat the hell out of that motherfucker. Then I kicked the shit out of him. Then he crawled back into his car and had to drive all the way back home with a fat lip, a swollen eye, bruised ribs... and no watch.
What do you think they all did wrong? You tell me... What do you think him and his family's mistakes were that day? Where did they all go wrong on that warm summer evening?

I don’t know ninja.. you tell me..

I will tell you, bitch! They made 3 big ass mistakes...

No. 1. That bitch Danielle made the first mistake. She accused me of stealing that watch when she had no real proof or no facts that could actually prove it was me. So on strictly just a good hunch, she made a call like that... She was probably so nervous about the watch missing, that when her mom and daddy got home, she probably told them that she SAW me take if or something. Maybe she told them that I admitted to her that I took it or something like that. That way the blame was totally off of her and on me. That was the first mistake and that was the biggest one, cause that's how this whole shit ended up going down. That's what got her daddy a beat down. Looking at the whole picture, Danielle should have just kept a better eye on that watch. Cause when it came up missing, she sold out and blamed somebody else for it. Right when they came home she probably ran up to them and said "Mom! Dad! This kid name Joe stole your watch! It wasn’t my fault!" Even though everything went downhill for the whole family after that, I'll bet you Danielle was still thinking "Whoo, at least I'm in the clear"... that dumb bitch. That was the first mistake of the day.

Mistake One: Trying to pass the blame on to someone else to save your own ass.
No.2. The second mistake is exactly what we've been talking about. Mom's and Dad’s overstepping there boundaries of power. They have to realize that yes, they DO have power, but only in there own house! Only in their own family! Sometimes parents try to flex that power past their boundaries and they have to watch that shit. Danielle's mom fucked up when she called me and treated me like I was HER kid or something... She said "This is her MOTHER!!!" She failed to realize that I love and respect only MY mother. Not her ass! To me, this was just some old bitch with droopy titties on the other end of my phone. She didn’t mean jack shit to me or my family. So when she came off calling me a thief and threatening me, she got dissed back. That's when her husband came in... He was like "What! He said what honey???? He called you a what!!!?? I'll kill him!!". Once again over stepping his boundaries. Yeah, it's cool to defend your wife and all that, but to just assume that you can handle me because your somebody's dad was a bad move. He figured "OK, here's this little punk over here hangin’ out with my daughter, so He’ll be terrified when I ride up on him... After all... I'm her FATHER". Well you see that was a bad move. That's what got his ass kicked. Cause, yeah, he was Danielle's father, alright, but to me, he was just some old ninja trying to run up on me. So I kicked his ass for it. I don’t even have a father! So I especially don’t give a fuck about this ninja! So Danielle's parents both are guilty of making the second mistake.

Mistake Two: Over stepping your power as a parent.

What was the 3rd mistake?

No 3. The third mistake was leaving that watch just sitting out on the table like that for me to take... (More hysterical laughing with his homie, Billy Bill)

Mistake Three: Trusting Violent J with valuables sitting around.

Well... Doesn’t that fall into the same lines of what you were saying about stealing something from an individual? Don’t you believe that's an evil thing to do?

Now I do. Besides, did I say I took watch, bitch?

No you didn’t really say you if you did or didn’t… Did you?

Don’t fuckin' worry about it. That don’t fuckin' matter. Don’t you got the moral of the fuckin' story? It's about parents thinking they’re the shit too much. Now you are just confusing ninjas. We already covered the topic of stealing shit, mother fucker. How about I punch you? Were done with this subject. Lets move on now... first let me piss…

(J gets up and leaves the room. After a minute or so, I look up after checking my notes and I notice that Billy Bill is staring directly at me with a ruthless look. I quickly look back down at my folder. About 20 seconds pass and I glance up again. He hasn’t moved an inch. He is staring right at me as if he doesn’t like me at all. I'm a bit concerned because I know that Billy Bill has a big reputation of beating people down all the time. I've heard about this numerous times. I Finally speak... "So, how long have you and J known each other?" (He says nothing at all. He just keeps staring right at me. I try to continue with my brave questioning) "Are you guys going----" (interrupted)

Billy Bill says: Shut your mouth until he gets back in here.

(I quickly shut my mouth and dig back into my notes as if nothing was said at all. After about 2 more of the longest, most stressful minutes of my life, J finally walks back in. He's got a bag of popcorn and 2 cans of Faygo from the machine just outside the door. He tosses Billy Bill a can of Faygo and cracks the other open for himself. He doesn’t toss me shit. I continue my questioning.) Well, tell me about the ICP Dolls that are coming out in March.

We got some dolls coming out. They’re the shit (chewing his popcorn). We got one for each of us. My guy comes with a little plastic axe. Shaggy's comes with a voodoo spear. They both come in one package. We had those other ones made but they were wack. They were like some big ass Ken dolls or something. They were being made by Hollywood Records and when they dropped us, the whole shit got canned. We still got the prototype dolls though. I have some in my collection. My collection is mad weak. I’m missing more than half the shit we put out. I always give that shit away. Anyway, I think the action figures are going to be sold at some record stores and those novelty places in the malls that sell all that weird shit like 3 Stooges clocks or whatever. Spencer’s or whatever it's called. I don’t fuckin' know what they’re going to do with them. Why the fuck are you asking me about this shit? Ask Alex that shit. Ask me something fresh.

How is your relationship with Shaggy?

Are you running out of shit to ask or what? What the fuck do you expect me to say? All you hear is these other bands talking about all the troubles they have in the studio with each other on the road and shit. Just watch that shit on VH1. They do these documentaries on bands and all they ever do is hate each other. Fuck them fake ass business bands.

What’s it like in the studio?

Shit... You’d shit your panties like a bitch. Everyone would if they saw the magic. We rarely show anybody though. When people are over Mike's we always front about everything. We just try to sit there and run a regular session until they leave. Mike will never publicly tell people about the Dark Carnival. My guess is that he might have tried at first, but people probably just dissed him so hard that he gave it up now. He probably just figures "Fuck it! Why tell people?" Me and Shaggy love the dissing we get though. We love the fact that people hate us. No one believes us. That's the whole fun of it. That’s the whole game. Do you believe it or not? We tell everyone that will listen about the spirits that we run with. The spirits tell their homies about us too. I'll bet.

There is 5 of us in the studio at all times. Me, Shaggy, Mike, Legs, and The Dark Carnival. The Dark Carnival runs that bitch. What ever it wants, it gets. When it's supposed to be a certain way we can all feel it. There is never any question. When we go against that feeling and do something else, everything shakes on Mike's walls. Fuckin' ask anybody that's been down there when it happens. I love that crazy shit. I freak my best homies out with that shit. They always think it's some kind of trick. I showed my mom that shit. She was just as freaked out as when we lived in that haunted house. The Dark Carnival oversees everything we do. Everything has to be it's way and we wouldn’t want it any other way.

OK... lets get back to your friendship with Shaggy…

We ain't like these other bitch ass bands. We hang out when there ain’t shit to do with ICP happening that day. Fuck him though. He's wack to talk too. When you’ve known somebody for something like 12 years and hung out with them constantly the whole time, there ain't nothing to say. What do you say to a ninja that you've known your whole life? They've already heard your opinion on everything. They 've already heard every story you've got to tell. So me and Shaggy will be on a plane sitting right next to each other and we won’t say shit. We know each other too good. That's why we always hang out with so many other ninjas. But most ninjas come around and hang with us cause they think we're about what rock stars are about... Dope, money, fame and party’s. But after a while, they see that we ain't about shit! Wait, let me rephrase that, after a while they see that we ain't like the rest of them bands and so they jet out. We stay hidden, fuck that fame shit. Usually they jet out cause they think we're crazy! We talk to spirits and we dance with the dead under the moonlight. That's the kind of shit we do with our time. We come to nobody, they all come to us. We leave from nobody, they all leave from us. Look at the history of Psychopathic employees and rappers that have all come and gone... Project Born... Fink the East Side G... Frank G... Spudler... and more. One thing ninjas can count on and that's ICP and Psychopathic always staying together, cause we're just like butt cheeks… We just don’t make any noise unless we're pressed together. Byatch.




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Alone With Violent J
Part 2

"Hello world! We're The Insane Clown Posse"

Was it tough getting started as Insane Clown Posse?

Fuck off!!! You just expect me to be able to explain how hard it was during those days? Mere words could never explain that shit. That's like asking a ninja to tell you what it was like to be tortured. No matter how good he explains it, you'll never really no what it was like unless you were actually him feeling that pain! All that I can say is the whole fuckin' music world can fuck off. Everybody from other bands, to critics, to record labels, are all the same. They all only care for themselves, and if you ain’t on there team they wish you death. It's just like most of the rest of the world, pure evil! For years and years all that I heard from every last mother fucker I met in the music business was this "Ya know, you guys should try it without that face paint and hard lyrics, then you might get somewhere!" I Heard that shit for years and years and years. Now 8 years later we're fuckin' platinum and what do we hear out of everybody's mouth? 'The only reason you guys got anywhere is because of the face paint and hard lyrics, without that you wouldn’t get nowhere!" What the fuck? Why is it that everybody always tries to bring you down? They just hate to see somebody doing something fresh unless it's them doing it. Player hatred to the fullest degree. I Guess it's like Ice Cube said in one of his songs "For anything they do, fuck him and his crew, unless you are gettin' paid too"

So how hard was it?

Harder than a ninjas dick with Janet Jackson buffing it! I swore I'd never go on and on to anyone about how hard it was to get where we're at today, because I could never actually cover it by just trying to explain it, but fuck you, you asked! I could have 10 platinum albums on the wall and that still wont amount to all the dues we paid in this business. We paid enough dues for 100 bands. Fuck that, We paid enough dues for 1000 ICP's!!! Alex is the shit (referring to his manager Alex Abbiss) for sticking with us threw the most fucked up times. That mother fucker deserves 50 times more than he'll probably ever get out of this business. Shit man, we fuckin' pushed and pushed and pushed ICP on Detroit. Right from the very start, we knew that no label was going to just sign us, we had to prove that we could sell records ourselves first. I Would honestly say, that over the 6 or 7 years it took us to get a real record deal, I must of handed out 500,000 thousand ICP flyers to people at malls, on car windows or whatever myself. No lie! No exaggeration! That's just me! Alex and Shaggy are a whole other story… They had to cut down rain forest to supply our paper demand. We had Kinko's locked down in Detroit. We knew every fuckin' Kinkos location there was in Michigan. We stole hundreds of copy keys, and got live every fuckin' night! One guy would tie up the dorky ninja that worked there with a dumb computer question or something and the rest of us would carry the boxes of paper out to the car. I Would say again, no lie, I've probably spent 5,000 hours of my life at Kinko's Copies. Ninjas thought we worked there. We was making flyers, typing shit, making packages, doing the fan club shit, what ever the fuck it took. I Could be wrong, but that sounds about right to me, 5000 Hours. Oh, and promoting at record stores! We put ICP flyers in every last record store in Michigan and half of Ohio each and every fuckin' week! EVERY WEEK NON STOP!! Shaggy could show you every record store in all of greater Toledo cause that was his area. Every week 150 stores! Think I'm lying? Who gives a fuck what you think?

How was your private lives during all of this?

What private lives ninja? This is our life! Day and night! My crazy bitch got up and left! She was like "fuck this shit" and she was out. After 3 years she was gone. Cause she knew that I had entered a phase in my life that I would never again come out of. That phase is the Dark Carnival. She thought I was insane. Then I met another bitch that worked at a record store and took photos. She was perfect for me, but fuck no! She was out too… After 2 years with me, she packed her bags. Nobody was cool with being No 2 in my life. But they had no choice, either take that spot or get the fuck out cause ICP comes first! I Was not going to jail! I wasn’t struggling for money or for fame at all! I was struggling for everyone that believed in us. Alex poured his whole life into us and there was no way we were going to let him down. My brother sent home thousands for this and I would never let him down. My real homies worked day and night with us to make it all happen for years and years and I was not going to fail! Not on your bitch ass life! No way!!!

What about the music?

The music was fat like me naked! It was the shit! The studio was and is the only place that we are in total happiness! Mike E Clark is the greatest in the fuckin' galaxy! He dust the Dust Brothers! He smokes Muggs! He slaps Dr Dre! Nobody can fuck with him. I've worked with many ninjas and Mike E. Clark beats the shit out of all of them! Mike will go down in history. Ever since back in the day when we first met him, he was honest. We were stupid to the game and he could have snaked us out of thousands, but he never cheated us once. Well maybe once, but not twice. He works in the studio lightning fast. Studio bills were easy to handle cause he was so fast. Now he deserves everything he gets and more. Back then he was just an engineer and co- producer to our shit. But as we grew closer and sold more records, he kind of took the shit over. Now he makes the music himself and we just build to it a little. He used to tell me about bands getting record deals and then leaving him hangin'. I said "Bitch, have you ever heard a butt That’s what we'd sound like without you" Mike Clark is filled with the Dark Carnival's magic and he knows it. But the whole shit scares him. When he works with other artist, I don’t hear that magic, when we does ICP it's there to the fullest. 10,000 Bands want Mike to do their shit but I think it's pointless. Cause the spirits don’t like that outsider shit. That is the only time we can escape the drama my whole life is in the studio. The music is there and always will be, that is… if you like the wicked shit!

But doesn’t every band have to pay dues?

Mother fucker are you listening to what I'm saying? You think I'm exaggerating or something? We struggled harder than any band in the universe! We did millions of shows in front of 10 people on a good night! Sure lots of bands struggled that long and still are struggling, but hears the deal… I Refuse to believe that any band in the world has worked harder than us! Fuck no! No Chance. Any band that says they did would at least be right where we're at! Cause we got ZERO breaks! We lived, ate, breathed, died, fucked, danced, wrestled, stabbed and strangled ICP for 6 fuckin' years non stop! The other local rappers would be tellin' us that they had sold 100,000 albums on there own We would only be at like 40,000. I Would sit there and think "How the fuck are they doing it? We must work harder". Now I know that what they said wasn’t ever true I'm glad they lied to us cause that just made us work harder! While they slept on there lies, we were the biggest in Detroit the whole time and never even knew it!
I lost 80% of my best friends over it… I Lost 2 bitches and I was truly in love with them both at the time. My Brother sent cash home from the Army and when he got out, he jumped right in the struggle with us that day. We believed in Psychopathic Records and we believed in ourselves bitch. Do you hear me? We fuckin' sold each and every CD one by one. We lived like bums just so Psychopathic could do better. Every kid in Michigan knows who ICP is, even if he hate us. That's cause he probably got 5 or 6 flyers shoved up his ass in the last 6 years! Why did we even bother? Why were we so driven? I'll tell you why! It was the force of the Dark Carnival! It's message must be sent! We knew it, so we had to do it!

Was it worth losing all that? Was it worth it all?

Yes and I'll tell you why! Sure we lost a lot. We was devastated when our bitches left. We was crushed when our homies bailed. But now I see who my real peoples are. They weathered the storm. They understood our dedication and supported our mission and still do. They hung on and allowed us to slip at times, while the rest just bailed on us. I Know we were dicks, I know we left many people hangin back then. But with 9th grade education and mile long criminal records it was this or nothing. The real people helped and went threw it all with us. They listened to our Dark Carnival shit open-mindedly.

Fuck! Now a days it's the shit cause we're helping each and every one of them, make their own 'dreams come true! Each and every one! It all balances out! Psychopathic is a family of ninjas that have each others backs to the fullest! Plus them bitches that left on me, Fuck em'! I've got to dip into some hot ass groupies since then! As for the homies that jetted, that's all good. We made mad new homies… Fuck y’all! Plus I'm rich now.. Did I mention that? I Have two cars: A 99 Black Navigator truck and a Black 99 Corvette! Wanna drive them? Oh yeah, that's right, I don’t know you anymore! HA!

During your struggling days, you guys started getting popular right?

(Pausing to stand up and stretch. Then he suddenly kicks a box full of cassettes across the room for some odd reason. J finally sits back down, yawns and continues) By like 1995, we had released the 1st and 2nd Jokers Cards (Carnival Of Carnage and Ringmaster) and 3 EP's (Beverly Kills 50187, The Terror Wheel and A Carnival Christmas) on our own Psychopathic Records! It all totaled something like 300,000 record sales combined and still we had no mother fuckin' record deal. Alex went to 4 music conventions and they all said the same thing "If your a un-signed band and you some how can sell 10,000 records on your own, you'll have every major label eating out of your hand!" So we thought ok, we can do that, next thing you know we had sold almost half a million records and couldn’t get shit! Why? Cause every label looked at our painted faces and thought we were just a local joke or the lyrics scarred them away. But we didn’t stop. We didn’t change shit. We don’t paint our faces, this is our faces! Asking us not to wear it is like asking someone to cut their dick off
We sold more and more records on our own and dumped every fuckin' dime back into Psychopathic Records! We never spent shit, not even $10 bucks for a hair cut! I Looked like Meatloaf. Me and Shaggy looked like Nelson. Nothing for ourselves. Our shows locally were always sold out, CD's flying off the shelves, yet no love from label boy. Fuck it, nothing stopped us, we kept climbing and climbing Detroit's popularity spread to Flint. and then to Toledo and on and on! Finally Bitch ass, hoe ass, snake ass Jive records calls us and BOOM!!! We jumped all over it! Where do we sign?!?!

What happened with Jive?

They gave us $80,000 measly dollars to sign. They wanted to release the 3rd Jokers Card, Riddlebox! Alex was against us signing with them the whole time, but me and Shaggy were ruthless about it. We should have listened. Shit, on our own we were already pulling almost 7 figures in a year just off our record sales try'na get signed! They were giving us a really shifty deal on the money but we figured at least the record would be out nationally right? Wrong. When they released Riddelbox in late 95' they really only stocked it in Michigan and watched it sell to the fans that we had already built. Jive never believed in us. They didn’t even put the name Jive on the CD! They went under another name "Battery Records" like they were embarrassed of us or something. They didn’t do shit for Riddelbox. They knew it would flop everywhere but Michigan! That's why they gave us such a shifty deal on the money! It was there plan all along! They must have sat there in there offices in New York and said "Hey, look at this guys... These clowns are selling like crazy in Michigan. It would never work nationally so lets sign them for next to nothing. We'll put there new record out in Michigan where there hot and we'll make all there money! Hell they already did all the work" That's exactly what they did.

What did you do after that bullshit happened?

After that bozack, that would have been the end of many other bands. But not many other bands are driven by The Dark Carnival. What did we do next? We said fuck it! They already know us at home, so lets get the fuck out of here. We threw a dart on the big map in Alex's office and it landed on Dallas Texas. So we grabbed our 10-gallon hats, tight ass wrangler jeans and headed out west. Using all of our own Psychopathic Records money, we drained our accounts. We pressed 100,000 sampler cassettes of Riddlebox, bought 3 painted up, Riddelbox Vans, and hired 4 more ninjas. We took to the streets of Dallas with full force. We did this all by ourselves. Jive was completely out of the picture. They didn’t help or pay for shit. We did this just to prove to ourselves that we could sell outside of Michigan. And we did! We walked into every record store in and around Dallas ourselves. We'd ask for the manager and we'd tell him or her that we are doing major promotions in the area for a group called ICP! We told them they should order and stock some of there latest album Riddelbox on Jive records! Then we hit 3 different high schools every day with our 3 Riddelbox Vans! School would let out and flock to the vans for free samplers. We got arrested 4 times around Dallas! 4 Different police stations all let us slide with a warning and told us to go home. But we stayed. We handed the samplers out at schools, malls, churches, jails, bingo halls, funerals, tittie bars, we didn’t give a fuck! Everybody got one in Dallas! Even fuckin' Chuck Norris got one!

Did it work? Did you blow up in Dallas?

Like a fat lady during the holidays. We blew the fuck up! Next thing you know Jive is like, "Hey ninjas. You guys are the Shit! Your busting your ass to make us money' Dallas is up to 15,000 units in just 6 weeks! Riddelbox has now sold 100,000 copys! You've got a top 20 record in Dallas! We were wondering when you'll be handing in your next album? We're ready when you are!" I Was like, "How about I hand you my nuts and you can slurp on em?"' We told Jive to eat shit and fuck of! "We're done with you're bitch asses! We can do this shit our damn selves! Y’all didn’t do shit for us anyway! Fuck y’all! We're Psychopathic Records and we're better and more powerful than y’all anyway. What the fuck were we thinking to sign with your weak asses? You don’t know shit about ICP and it's power!" Then Jive came back and said "Look, we didn’t really know weather or not ICP had any selling potential outside of Michigan, but after seeing what you did in Dallas, now we believe you do.." And I said, "Well in that case, would you like my nuts with mustard or mayo? Fuck off!!!"' And that was it. We were stuck. Jive wouldn’t let us go cause we were under contract with them for 4 more albums. We refused to make them another record. We was like Andre The Giant's dick was in most nedens! no room to move!

Mean while, when we were stuck on Jive, we were broke, but we gave no fucks. We went out touring again and again! We kept pushing our shit anyway! Even though we didn’t know our future, Riddelbox was climbing in sales. Dallas was spreading, word was getting out everywhere on the underground that we were the shizzzzzzznit, byatch!

That's When Hollywood Records came along right?

Wrong! First your mom came along and we all ran a train on her! Then Hollywood Records came along. They said, "Hey ninjas, we heard about you guys! You guys are the shit. We get what ICP is all about! You need us and we need you!" Hollywood Records was the shit. We told them that were stuck with Jive and they said "Fuck that, we're owned by Disney! We got crazy bank! We'll just buy your contract off of Jive. Jive has no choice but to sell you, cause you won’t give them another album anyway!" Boom, next thing you know, we were on Hollywood Records! They promised us that just because Disney owns them, it has nothing to do with the music they put out and who they sign. They told us that Disney also owns Miramax films and look at all the ruthless shit they put out! So then we agreed and handed in the mighty 4th Jokers Card. The Great Milenko was a masterpiece in my eyes. Mike Clark's magic was in full effect. Our magic was banging. Finally a label was working with us instead of just watching us do the work. They constantly told us that it was amazing how much work we put into ICP. They couldn’t believe how much shit we do ourselves. My head was so big I couldn’t fit out the door, we had to knock a wall down! Anyway, yall know what happened with that shit.

I know it's played out by now, but give us a brief explanation please!

All the sudden our Hollywood Records ninja Julian Raymond, flies out to Detroit. He has us meet him at a downtown hotel on the 15th floor in his suite. Me Shaggy and Alex get there. He's just as upset as we are about to be. He tells us that Disney heard the Great Milenko album and that they want us to remove 3 songs from the album because of the lyrics! I was just about to throw him off the balcony, Shug Night style, when Alex and Shaggy stopped me! We were all devastated! All 4 of us! There was nothing we could do. Disney would not release the album with them songs on it. We had to take them of. Then on the way back home Alex opened our eyes. He said "What the fuck? We're Psychopathic Records! We rule the underground! We'll just wait until after The Great Milenko comes out and then we'll just press up an EP and put them 3 songs out ourselves! Sure we're not allowed to, but fuck them! We'll do it any fuckin' way!" That was the plan. So we took the songs off and handed the album in, again.

Then what happened?

By then we was pretty big in alot of areas around the country. Psychopathic Records put Riddelbox on the map. Ninjas nationwide were ready for The 4th Jokers Card. We did a tour called the Omen Tour to warn people that it was coming. Milenko was going to be available in every store in the US. It was going down. This would be our first major release. The Dark Carnival's messages would be heard by all! We had a national tour booked. We had in-store appearances booked everywhere. We had it all ready for the Great Milenko to emerge from beyond.

Then on the release day, BOOM! The Great Milenko got yanked out of the stores by Big Papa Mickey and his fat bitch Minny! Everything was cancelled! We were all the sudden out of business. How would we ever survive this shit?

I guess what happened is a giant group of Southern Baptist all voted to boycott Disney that week because of some other ruthless shit Disney was involved with, and the news was all over that story. So at the last minute, Disney tried to clean up there image by hiding us! They thought they could just remove us from the shelves before anyone caught them putting out trash like ICP too! They tried to remove us and cover the whole thing up before they got caught. Well it didn’t work! They got caught red fuckin' handed! Alex called the LA times that night and gave the whole story! That was the greatest move in ICP's history! With that one phone call, Alex saved our whole shit and put us on the map at the same time.

How? What happened?

The next morning it was on the front page of the LA Times. From there it was everywhere. The whole world caught Disney trying to make money off of us evil bastards! When it comes to The Disney Co. They don’t just want that good, clean Snow White money - They want this evil, wicked Juggalo money too I guess.

Disney tried to cover there own tracks by saying that they didn’t know anything about our lyrics. Even though two months earlier they made us take 3 songs off Milenko that they didn’t like and the rest was fine.

The whole shit was scary to me. It was really weird to hear a giant well known company just out right lie like that. That scared me to know the world is that fucked up! Here's a giant, well-loved corporation straight up lying like a school boy to his teacher. They sat there and lied to everyone by saying they didn’t know about our lyrics and that ICP slipped threw Disney's review process! Yeah right, explain the last minute changes you made us make on the album! Explain the half million you gave us FOR the album!

Everything was cool until that giant group of church members put the spotlight on that bitch ass. Then you got caught with your evil hands in our wicked clown cookie jar too, mutha fuckas!!!

So they dropped us, and said that they'll let us go if we sign a contract that says we'll never bad mouth Disney and that we'll never discuss this topic publicly. As you can tell I signed it and I have remained silent since! (More laughing with Billy Bill who is still present). Hollywood wasted like 2 million dollars of Disney's cheddar promoting and shooting videos for an album that was only on the shelves for a day. On top of that, they gave us a half a million to make the album and then they didn’t want it!!! Ninjas got fired, ninjas got re-hired, it was pandemonium over there in the Hollywood offices!

The press picked up on Disney's attempt to hide it, huh?

Yeah! The press was everywhere Then mad record labels started looking in to us and our history. Many labels were shocked to see how many albums we had sold on the underground. They couldn’t believe how big we were and yet they had never heard of us! Well one thing led to another and then a big ass bidding war took place. Most of the labels were just trying to cash in on the hype, but 3 labels really saw what we're about. Epic, Island, and Restless Records. They all wanted to sign us to big ass, long term, fat money contracts. Them 3 were duking it out over our contract while the press was going insane over the whole deal! CNN, Fuckin every news paper, everything everywhere talking about ICP getting dropped because of fucked up lyrics. Island wins the war so we sign with them. Not only because of money but because they seemed the realest. They believed in the Insane Clown Posse!

The album comes back out with all of its original tracks this time and then BLAM!!! We're finally a legit contender in the game of rock and roll, baby bitch, Whooooo!

Was this when things for ICP finally changed for the better?

Sort of! Yeah, we were paid and yeah we had ninjas working the album the way they should. But, then we started to get dissed hard by the media. Some papers said that it was a scam by us all along to sell records. They said that we were just a fly by night attempt to make some money and that as soon as the Disney hype ends, we'll never be seen or heard of again. They said ICP is not even a real band and nobody ever heard of us before the Disney shit and nobody will hear of us after. Nobody looked to see that their latest album Riddelbox prior to any Disney shit had sold 150,000 copies and all that. It's just that ICP was so underground that nobody knew about us. When I say underground, I mean underground. Mad groups all call themselves underground, but fuck that, ICP was UNDER the underground! Only snakes, serial killers and ninjas in Hell were bumpin' our shit! So, nobody knew we was ever there. But we were, ICP has always been here with fat record sales.

When the Great Milenko album finally came back out, mainstream critics and everyone all said that it sucked. Nobody understood it. It wasn’t for them. It was for the underground Juggalos that we always have been for! It's funny cause everything flipped over on us! We went from hearing this all day "You guys should take off the face paint, nobody likes that shit" to hearing this all day "The only reason anybody likes you is cause of the face paint". Everything went from one side of hating us, to the other. They hated us coming up and they hate us at the top too. That's why I say, we're the most hated band in the world. No Rolling Stone, No Spin, No MTV unless we're getting dissed. I was going crazy at first over all that shit, but then it dawned on my stupid ass!

What dawned on your stupid ass?

Are you calling me a stupid ass? Mother fucker!!!

No, I meant what dawned on you?

Fuck, proving ourselves to them! Who the fuck are they? Fuck them and fuck what they think, cause we're here for ever! They ain’t getting rid of us, we're getting rid of them! Fuck fitting in to their world! Fuck their world! I never fit in at school when I was a kid and I got by just fine. Why should I sweat that shit now? Fuck your magazines and your bitch ass video shows! We got our own Juggalo world! That's all we need and that's all we want!

How do you feel when a critic says your music is shitty?

First of all, I don’t care enough about what he thinks to feel anything. Who the fuck is he? Who is a critic? If he's so fuckin' good at music why don’t he make the shit? Look, this is what I believe and it you disagree go fuck yourself! The Spice Girls are the shit! Why? Cause they sold 10,000,000 albums bitch! Sure, me and you might not like their music but fuck us! 10,000,000 other people love it! How can we say they suck? How the fuck can we say they have no talent when 10,000,000 people love there shit? They make all those people happy with there music yet I'm going to stand up and state it as a fact that they suck?? Who the fuck am I? I take my fuckin' hat off and say "You girls are the shit! I might not dig it myself, but that's just me You girls are definitely the shit". Besides, I'd fuck the shit out of all of them if I could!
Check this out. I've rocked 3000 Juggalos in concert and every last one loved the show. They would chant ICP for 15 minutes after the show wanting more. Then I get up the next morning and read the paper and here's some dick head critic reviewing our show and talking about how much the show sucked! What??? What about the other 3000 that loved the show you fuckin' asshole? What are you trying to say? That they are all wrong and your right? Fuck you! I can’t believe critics even exist in this world. I thought the fun about life was judging shit for yourself. I don’t need some bitch ass critic judging for me. If a movie sucks, I'll be my own judge of that. I don’t give a fuck what Siscle's fat ass thinks. I Don’t need Ebert to tell me it sucks! I Could give a fuck less about what Ebert likes! I'm Violent J! I'll tell you what I like and don’t like! Fuck what somebody else thinks is the shit or sucks! Fuck critics! Siskle and Ebert both said the movie Crimson Tide was a great film and they gave it two thumps up! Well I saw it and I say it sucked!! So Siskle and Ebert can go fuck each other! How's that? And every other critic can eat shit and die? Even if you loved our shit and you gave it a good review, who gives a fuck what you think!? Keep our name out of your shit, cock suckers! Fuck off!

Then You hooked up with Twiztid and Myzery? How did that happen?

I knew of this wack rap group in Detroit called the House Of Krazees. They had mad talent and I always tried to get them to come to Psychopathic, but they had this wack commitment to thier manager. They sounded just like Esham to me, only sloppy. But they were really cool so we invited them on tour. Thier manager was whack as hell! He didn’t know the music business from his butthole! The House Of Krazzes dropped off the tour when we came threw Detroit for some stupid reason! There manager pulled them of I guess! Why I'll never know, because I don’t care enough to ask anybody. Anyway, the tour went on. It was fresh. Then we got home, and two of the guys from House Of Krazees called me and told me that they left the group and started there own group. The two guys were the two better rappers anyway, so I said "Yeah! Ill put you down!" By now I figured we know how to make a group blow up cause we know what works and what don’t. The House Of Krazees have been around Detroit for years but they were stuck forever. Their tactics sucked. Their ideas were weak. They sucked on stage. Everything about them sucked accept some of the music. We took the two ninjas and applied that Psychopathic Flavor and the rest came from them. What amazed me was how fat the music was. They did it all themselves! Back in the House of Krazees days the music was done by that third guy. So there was no telling what they would sound like without him. But somehow they sounded better! Twiztid took form quick. They are the shit. We all went back on tour and night after night they got tighter. Now they are the ultimate shit. Their stage show is tight, their music is great and their raps are the bomb diggity. We grew closer as homies as the weeks and months went buy Them ninjas went threw alot of shit back in the day. They paid helly dues. They’re Psychopathic for life! They're proud to be, and we's prouder to have them! But allow me to step oft there nuts now!

Myzery is a rapper that my brother brought to Psychopathic. My brother has family in the Bronx and that’s how he met Nay Nay. I Always had the feeling that Myzery thought our music was wack. It seemed like he just wanted to get his break so he hung out. It seemed like he thought the Dark Carnival was a joke. Then I got to know him more and more and that feeling went away. He never truly believed in it though. I even showed him the Dark Carnival's magic in our studio and he thought it was a trick! I only show my best friends that shit too. He's a cool mother fucker though. He gets mad skins. Like 5 times more than he should. Every bitch loves him. He looks like Tupac with his headband on. Him, and his homie Ponch are the shit. They are very quiet about things. You never know what there thinking. They sort of let us know without saying it that they wanted out of Psychopathic Records. See, Psychopathic is into some bizarre shit and it has that reputation. Myzery is more into New York raps. Even though the shit we say is our reality, it ain’t theirs. They come from another place, and they are just into different shit than us. They toured will us twice. He dropped an EP on Psychopathic, and it's still out. I don’t think they liked our ideas. They said our crowd wasn’t there crowd. As for me, I don’t give a fuck! Any crowd is my kind of crowd as long as they some Juggalos!!! But they just stressed that they wanted to get a bigger hip hop, rap only crowd. Hangin' around with us was killing that for them I think. Myzery went back to New York to try some other avenues. We stop over and hang when we come threw New York. My brother is really close with his family. I wish that ninja and his homie Poncho mad luck out there.

Tell me about your Panic Attacks

If I talk about it, I'll have one and then I'll probably kill you! I was on the road for a year straight! I went insane in the bus one morning but it went away! I tried to tell everyone but they just dissed me. When I was flipping out that morning I wanted to kill myself. I was sweating, I couldn’t breath, I was terrified and now I'm going to kill you!

What?

I told you I don’t want to talk about that shit right now! I'm going to slap you. Look, I went fuckin' nuts. That shit sucked! I got over it that morning cause I finally passed out and when I woke back up it was over. About 2 weeks later I was on stage in St Paul and it happened again. I Looked at Shaggy while I was standing there tripping out and all I can say was he was rapping. He was just rapping at the crowd! It just looked weird at the moment. Then I couldn't breath. I Felt like I was rolled up in a carpet! Everyone was looking at me! I Felt like shooting myself again. Billy Bill and my brother pulled me to the back and dumped water on me! I felt like I was drowning. It was some wack shit. I think I was crying, suffocating, terrified, panicking and rapping on stage at the same time. I finally came off stage and passed out again in the dressing room. That night we cancelled everything else and went straight home.
The next day I was laying in my bed going completely insane. Nothing was fresh. Everything sucked. I was watching commercials and I wanted to cry because the people on TV were smiling and acting normal, but I couldn’t control myself! Hours were going by! I Couldn’t breath! My dogs were against me! My house was a tomb to me! My brother came home and rushed me to a regular hospital. Everybody showed up when I was still in the waiting room. I Had to escape this dreaded hospital before they take me in the back where I can’t breath. So I left the waiting room. Shaggy was driving me back home. He was talking to me but I have no idea what he was saying. He was against me! His car was smothering me. The music he was playing was stealing my air. I finally got back home where I was safe but it was all a trap. The TV was killing me! The little light on the radio was torturing me. The walls were stealing all the air in the room. The phone was destroying me! It was just sitting there! I tried to move it across the room but it still was killing me somehow.

See when you break your arm you can focus on the pain. You can say to yourself.. "Ok, my arm hurts. I know what I need to do. I Need to fix my arm. It hurts when I move it. So I wont move it. I Need to fix my arm." But when your loosing your mind you can't focus on the problem because the problem is in your head! You say to yourself "What’s the problem here? Why am I scared? Fuck being scared, I cant breath! Wait I'm breathing but I can’t feel it. I Have the pain of suffocating yet my lungs are breathing.. Why am I sweating so much? I'm scared right now... why? What can I do to stop this? Nothing!" I went threw that shit for 24 hours with no sleep. My brother finally took me to a mental home. I can chase the fuckin' ducks around the pond and bark like a chicken! Then they fixed me. You don’t need to know any more. Some things have nothing to do with anybody but me. All you need to know is they didn’t stick anything up my butt. And I'm fine now. I was having severe panic attacks level 10! But I'm over it. As soon as I kill you all the voices will go away, so come here!

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