Saturday, June 5, 1999

Violent J • Interview • Alone With Violent J • Part 4

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Alone With Violent J
Part 4 The Final Chapter

"THE HOUND DOGS & OH ANDRA"

OK, Now I'm going to ask you a shit load of stupid questions. Some of these have nothing to do with anything. These questions will be about everything. Most of these come from internet fans who were just curious to know... Ready?

Yeah... bring it

"Clown Hog" from Dallas wants to know "How do you feel about your fans"?

Yeah. That is a stupid question. Everybody that knows about ICP also knows that we have no fans. The Backstreet Boys, now they got some fans. They got millions of little bitches screaming for them and all that. Chillin' outside their hotel. Fainting and shit. Them are what you'd call fans. But we ain't got none of that shit. You wanna know why? Cause we only got Juggalos. Juggalos are down with THIS... not US. It's not me and Shaggy that are fresh... It's what were about that's fresh. It's not actually ICP that is cool, it's what we stand for and what we believe that's cool. So there for, the only reason Juggalos even play us, is cause they can relate to us. They come from the same place of thought. They have the same point of views. When a Juggalo is playing ICP... He or she is playing THERE OWN shit. It's like THEM rapping or something.

Look at who comes to our shows. Bitches, dudes, old asses', babies, what ever. Juggalos come in all forms. ICP is your escape from everyday bullshit. Nobody wants to be cool all the time, that fuckin' sucks. It's way easier and funnier just to let it all hang out and be a ninja. Let your nuts hang right out of your pants. Let your titties fall right out of your shin or something. Be yourself and fuck trying to always be the shit. Nobody at an ICP concert is going to laugh at how cheap your shoes cost. If they do I'll beat them myself. Nobody cares weather you got a real Fubu jacket on or a Fuba jacket. Were 311 just chillin’ and being any way we want to be.

If all the rappers are talking about one thing, ICP will probably be talking about the other. Because I will say exactly whatever the fuck I want, no matter how it's viewed by others... Fuck the world baby. It's our world, we have our own world... a Juggalo world.

Try to define a Juggalo?

This is what I always say.... When you walk out of the shower naked, that's YOU. Butt naked standing there. What you do to yourself after that is just to create an image for yourself. You dress a certain way, you put on your make up and fix you’re fuckin' hair up to be how you want to be seen. Rock people want to be seen as rock people, so they put tight ass jeans on and frizz they hair all up. Alternative people put on bell-bottoms and shit to look alternative. Skater people wear baggy shit or whatever. Rap kids wear rap shit. But what I'm saying is, a Juggalo is just themselves. That butt naked ninja. He or she puts on what ever they got in the closet and gives no fuck how people see them. He or she could give a fuck less. That's what you see at our shows. That’s who buys our shit. Ninjas like that... I hope.

So Juggalos are ninjas that keep it real?

Yes and no. Keep it real about yourself, but fuck keeping it real music wise. You got all these rappers running around screaming about keeping it real, well to me real is too depressing. I'd rather keep it fun. Keep it fresh and entertaining. Fuck keeping up with what's in style. If you wore a Michael Jackson "Beat It", Zipper Jacket to school in 1984 and you were probably the atom bomb. Wear one now and see what happens.

Do you now how many people out there would rather freeze to death before they put on that fuckin' Beat It Jacket now? Just cause people would laugh at them. Give ME that motherfucker! I'll wear the fuck out of that bitch! I'll wear it in my videos, on stage, to the Grammies, what ever! I'll wear that motherfucker to bed at night. I'll wear it in the shower. I gives a fuck what you think is cool. I'll keep my gum in one zipper, I'll keep my keys in another, I'll keep my money in another zipper... Them jackets were and still are the shit to me! Fuck what the rest of the world thinks.

Fuck keeping it real. I live, breath and die in a real world and now your telling me my music has to be the same way? I Can only talk about this? I'd rather let my music take me away from this bull shit. ICP is your escape from the real. Fuck the real. We see enough of the real every fuckin' damn day. Besides what’s real to us may not be your reality. So what’s real?
ICP caters only to that certain kind of person... a Juggalo. Ninjas that would wear that Michael Jackson Beat It Jacket to school TODAY if they wanted to. I know I would. I'd wear the fuckin buckle shit too.

Can you honestly say that all your fans are like you guys are?

Hell no. Shit, we sold almost a million albums now. We got all kinds of ninjas buying our shit, half of them probably suck. Yeah, in some places you got a bunch of fake ass bitches bumpin' our shit, but that's just because it might be a big popular fad right now in their city. Yeah, them types of fans or whatever you wanna call them, come and go. You can ask Tone Loc about that. You can ask anyone about them big fad fans.... Ask Hammer... Vanilla Ice... New Kids... Young MC... But a Juggalo is the guy that first listened to it, and will last listened to it. Fuck what's in style. Allow me to give you an example...

Please do...

Let’s take Detroit for example... I'd say that we was most popular around Detroit in 1995. Now, in '95 we had the Riddlebox album out. That record sold about 40,000 copies around Detroit alone. Before that... Carnival and Ringmaster did around 20,000 copies around Detroit each. Then after the Riddlebox craze, The Great Milenko went back to just 20,000 copies around Detroit. See what I mean? During the big ICP craze of Detroit, we went up to 40,000 sales, then it returned to its original 20,000 Juggalo base. Thais because all the fake ass, part time Juggalos went out and bought our shit when it was cool! Now, they've moved on to the next cool thing... Now all the fake ass bitches are probably buying Korn's shit. That's how it works. So I'd say that there is probably about 20,000 real Detroit area Juggalos. The extra 20,000 sales we had that year were to some pop ass fans. The real Detroit Juggalos were probably saying "What the fuck is this? What's all these bitch ass punks doing bumpin' my shit? ICP is for me, not for them punk asses". I know that ninjas were saying that, because I was saying the same thing!

ICP fads might happen in certain places at certain times, but it wont ever happen everywhere at once... because we'll never let it. You'll never see me perform at the MTV music awards. You'll never see us on Lolla Polloza... because I'll never share my Juggalo music with some dick wipes that's only there to see the next band after us. I'll play for Juggalos and only Juggalos. I'll never open up for some mega, large ass band and play for all his bitch ass fans. Fuck that. We do our own shows even it there’s only 50 Juggalos there, at least I know that they're here to freak it with us. They're there to jump to our kind of music... ICP, Twiztid, Myzery, Blaze... The wicked shit. We are Juggalos and we are for Juggalos. Sure the word "Juggalo" is just something we might have made up, but all I'm trying to say is that we are a certain way and the people that like our music are usually that same way too... Crazy, dumb, ruthless, and not faded by much.

"Dreabed" wants to know, Do you get recognized alot in public?

Who?

"Dreabed" an Internet kid....

Oh. Yeah, well Debbie, if I'm with Shaggy I do. If where out together, we might get lots of ninjas hound doggin'. Hound Doggin' is stale as fuck. That's what we call some ninja that sits there and stairs at you from across the room like he wants to grope your balls or something. Look man, if you recognize us either A... Walk up and say hi or what ever it is you've got to say, or B... Just leave us the fuck alone... but whatever you do... Don't C... Sit there and stair at us... following us and hawking us like you wanna plug our bulls or something. Why do ninjas stair? What do you think, were all the sudden going to break out into a song or something?
Yeah that shit I hate. More than anything. Also this shit. "Oh... Oh my God.... No way... Oh my God What the fuck is that all about? Let me ask you this, what would YOU say to some kid that's standing there right in your face and saying "Oh Oh.... Oh my God"? I blow mouths out for that shit. Them people get dissed hard. Raise the fuck up oft my nuts motherfucker. I can't think of one person on this planet that would even make me even look twice, but you got some people that think so low of themselves that when they see a "star" or something, they sit there and go "Oh... It's him Holy shit it's him . I deck motherfuckers like that.

Give me an example...

One time I came out of the air port and this kid was with his girl friend and he was practically passing out cause he saw us. What kind of bitch must that kid have been? How could he sit there and pant like a dog in front of his woman, just 'cause he sees us standing there? This kid was at least 25 and here he was tainting like a big bitch. How low must you be? Some ninjas just say... "Hey J... when is the new shit coming out?" See, that's cool, there ain’t nothing wrong with that. I'll sit there and hang with that kid all fuckin' day. But to sit there and swing off my nuts or freak out like a 14-year-old bitch meeting Usher is wack as hell. People like that get beat down. Some houndogs follow me in my car. That shit happens every day. Some drive by my fuckin' house. What the fuck for? What are you expecting to see? Me and Shaggy doing a concert on the front lawn? Me naked in the window? Is that what there hoping to see? No, but instead you come rolling by my house all slow and shit, making me think your getting ready to pull a drive by on me or something, That's when I run out there in my drawers, pull you out of your car and beat you in the street.

Damn... you seem like you really hate that shit...

Fuck you. I Love Juggalos. But I hate these sap ass, wienie, bitch ass ninjas swinging off my dick making me feel like some fuckin' famous richie or something. If anybody ain’t a star it's us. We ain’t no fuckin' stars. Our shows are just parties and we re hosting them on stage. Me and Shaggy never want to be the center of this... Were all in this together. Why you jockin' me? I Don't write the shit! The Dark Carnival does... I'm a follower just like y’all.
Don't fuckin' tap me on the shoulder at the mall and then not have any fuckin' thing to say. Ninjas tap you so you'll turn around and then they just stand there like "awww" and don't have shit to say... they just look at you... What the fuck am I supposed to say at that moment? What would you say? Here’s this complete stranger tapping you on your back and when you turn around, he's just starring right at your face with nothing to say... What? That wouldn’t piss you off? What? Just cause I rap all the sudden that don’t piss me off?

Look, when I'm explaining this shit, I want you to truly listen with an open mind. I Know it's hard to vision it from my shoes but at least try...

All right...

A Pew days ago I was at a record store with my boys and the girl behind the counter waves me over to her... I'm standing there in the isle all the way across the store ,thin king.. 'This bitch wants me to come over there for some reason... She don't look good, so why would I go over there" Then I thought more about it... "Hummmm, why does she want me to come up there? I haven’t even found my shit yet". Then I just shook my head "No" and we went about our business.

Finally I found all my shit and took it up to the counter. That same bitch goes "OK, now do you want to tell me who you are?" I said "what?" She said "Everybody in the store is starring and buzzing over you guys... So tell me who you fuckin' are?" I sat there for a minute... Now, this has happened to me a million times, but for some odd reason, this one time really pissed me off. I said "Wait a minute, your telling me that all these people here in the store are starring at us so you're expecting me to announce to you who we are?" She said "Yes". I'm steady thinking to myself... "What the fuck? Who the fuck is this bitch anyway? If this bitch doesn’t recognize us, then obviously we must not be shit to her... She would probably recognize her favorite band if they walked in... So why is this bitch so concerned with finding out who we are? What does it matter? Obviously we ain't shit to her or she'd know who we are at first look" So I just said "No, we ain’t nobody. Just ring my fuckin' CD's up and do your job. Quit asking me stupid shit and do your fuckin' job." ... I was a dick to her. Fresh!!!

Plus what the fuck did she mean by saying "OK... now do you want to tell me who you are?" What did she mean by that? What did this bitch expect me to do... walk into the store and walk right up to that bitch and say "OK... HEY REGISTER BITCH, WERE ICP IN CASE YOU WANT TO KNOW!" Fuck that stupid ass bitch. She can suck my dick.

Yeah... I hear you on that

Then sometimes you get this shit... People start asking you for autographs and then more people come along and next thing you know, the one real Juggalo that first recognized you is long gone, and your still there signing shit for a bunch of wack ass people that never even heard of you! Truck drivers.. Old Ladies... They just assume that you must be somebody special so get that autograph. They just see you signing autographs and they just jump right in line. That shit happens in truck stops all the time on the road. I'll be standing there signing autographs for old men and shit and I'm chillin there thinking, "These mother fuckers have no fuckin' clue who the fuck I am and look at this shit" What the fuck. Sometimes I just stop right out and say "Do any of you even know who the fuck I am? (No) Then why would you even give a fuck about my name on a piece of paper". Get your fuckin' nose out of my ass.
Juggalos are the shit to meet, cause you can sit there and kick it with them about shit all day. If some kid recognizes us and just wants to kick it and he's a cool ninja about it, the next thing you know that kid will be chillin' with us for weeks and he's a new homie. If some kid recognize us and starts fainting and acting like a sap, next thing you know, his favorite person is kickin' his ass!

Real Juggalos just hang out and be cool with ya. They laugh and chill and hang out like homies. They understand that we're just some ninjas. But houndogs are wack as fuck. Don't sit there and stair at me unless your a chick. Cause when I catch a man peeping me out, fan or no fan, he might be beat down.

So some fans you Iike, and others you hate.

When you play your tape recorder back, listen to what the fuck I just said ninja. Me and Shaggy just hate it when people treat us like were super stars when they see us. That shit is shitty. We want to be down with y’all, quit looking up at us, look even with us. We're your homies. If we ever win a Grammy or something, were going up to the podium representing y’all! Fuck being bigger than life, we're stuck in this life, just like everybody else. This is our time to occupy the earth together. We ain’t anything special.

110 years ago it was all different ninjas here. 110 years from now it will be all new ninjas. Right now is our time together... so get off my dick and quit acting like I'm something special you sap ass, bitch, hound dog motherfucker. Whooo!!!

Sticking with the subject, kind of... " DEADROWW" Asks "Do you guys hang out alot in public, What to you like to do"?

Death Row? As in Records?

No, DeadRoww...

Oh.. When were at home we stay hidden. We stay hidden all the time. I Like to chill with my homies, just like you do with your homies. Only your homies probably suck and mine are fresh. HAA! We practice voodoo witchcraft in my back yard. Doesn’t everybody?
My boys never... ever... treat us any different than they do each other. That's why I'm most happy when I'm with them. Look at my boys, I grew up with all these ninjas. They went threw the same shit I did to get here. You think they give me any breaks? They leave me hangin' all the time. They'll go out somewhere and forget to pick me up. Sometimes it we're really crowded, they make me ride in the trunk. They don't play that rap star shit with me and Shaggs. We get dissed just like the next ninja. That's why I'm happiest with my boys. I love each and every one of my Dogs more than anything.

Yeah. That's cool.

Sometimes at a show in the dressing room, a security guard or the promoter guy or whoever, will walk right by all my boys like they ain’t even there and shake my hand and say "welcome back" or thanks for bringing your show here to our venue" as if I had any fuckin' thing to do with it. They know that my boys booked us, my boys brought us here, my boys made it all happen. But they wanna walk right by them and swing oft our fuckin' nuts. Without my boys it would just be me and Shaggy running back and forth on a big, empty stage. My boys are just as much making the shit happen as we are.

A mother fucker will sit there and walk right passed Billy, who designed the whole stage, ran the pyros, worked the lazer lights and all that... Then he'll walk right passed Jump Steady, who worked out the business details of the show and made it all happen... Then the guy will walk right passed Tom Dub, Stephan, Dougie and the rest of my boys that changed costumes a million times that night and ran the whole show with us, and he'll finally get up to me and Shaggy and say... "Great show guys, you guys are great". I always want to kill them motherfuckers. The Dark Carnival sees this.

There he is with his back turned to all the ninjas that really made it all happen and he's jockin' me and Shaggy cause were the only public "STARS" or what ever. Sometimes I just say right to there face "Why don't you think before you talk, you rude ass motherfucker, get the fuck out of here" Then he leaves the dressing room and says to everyone... 'Yeah I met ICP before... Those guys are dicks man"... Never even realizing who the dick was.

What about the girls? Don't the rock stars get lots of girls?

Now that's the only area my homies get the advantage in this shit. They get to walk around in the crowd and kick it with hotties while me and Shaggy are stuck back stage... Those bastards.

You know what? You got hound dog bitches too. Granted I don't mind a chick starring at me or tapping me on my back at the mall. But some are just hound dogs too. I've met super model, hot ass girls and that say You have very pretty eyes". Yeah right. I sure do. Yup. I'm also a stud. FUCK OFF! Like my eyes look good or something! I look like a fuckin' crack head. My eyes look like 2 tried eggs. What the fuck are you talking about? I Was practically a virgin until I starting touring. I'm ugly ass hell. I'm a ruff neck ninja. There ain’t a fuckin' thing pretty or cute about me and you know it. You should see me without the make up! As if I look good or something. Them bitches only say that shit because of who you are. They don't give a fuck what you look like. What if I worked midnight’s at Taco Bell? Do you think that same super model bitch would have told me that about my eyes9 Hey, wow, thank you miss... Would you like some hot or mild sauce with that?" I just don't see that happening.

Yes I get what you’re saying...

Man you should have seen some of the bitches I've got with. I'm talking Janet Jackson style bitches. Super hot. When I'm with them I can't do nothing but laugh over and over again.
I Think about the old days in school when they used to say "it you step on a blue tile in the hallway you have to kiss a Bruce Brother" and all the girls would go "Ewwwwwww". Then all the sudden I'm rich and famous... Next thing you know... I got pretty eyes and shit. It's amazing. I Know that I'm not supposed to be with these super model bitches but some how I get to! It's funny as hell to me. I bust my nut in like 10 seconds every time too! She's probably used to these stud ass, Buff Bagwell ninjas working it all night long, and then I come along and bust my nut in 10 seconds! Because I can't believe how fuckin' hot she is and somehow she's letting me hit it cause she thinks I'm famous... Little does she know that I'm a scrubby nerd in disguise! HA BITCH! I'm Joe Bruce!!! That shit's funny, HAAA HHAA!!! Them bitches were probably popular, richie bitches back in school that would have never gave me a second look and here I am bangin' there shit out in seconds... HAA lm A NERD!!! IT'S AMAZING!! You let me hit it and I'm a nerd!!!

Yes... Super models letting YOU tap it. That is amazing...

You know what else is amazing..

What?

How quick I could beat your ass... You’re getting a little to fuckin' slaphappy, motherfucker. (Billy Bill interrupts: That's what the fuck I'm saying...) How about I slap them spectacles off your bitchy face?

What? What did I say? Come on, like you always say J, I'm just juggling' your balls a bit...

You touch my balls and I'll kill you.

You know what I mean... So, you were talking about bitches that jock because of who you are... Come on just finish. I'm sorry, let’s just continue

Whenever a really hot girl steps to me, I laugh my ass off. I'm not dissing myself at all. I Love myself exactly like I'm am, I wouldn't change shit about me. It's just funny to me when a bitch is jocking me and acting like I look good or something. I'm the shit, but I ain’t no looker. I'm not that club type stud ninja. I'm more like that scrubby ninja asking for change outside of the club. But here I am with all the hotties all the sudden! Shaggy on the other hand, bitches always jocked him. He could get chicks back in the day before the rapping. But he's just Shaggy. He don't know how to kick it, so he gets with nothing.

Sticking with the subject... Amy from Cleveland wants to know, "What kind of girls do you like"?

Bitches that let you fuck them on the first date. No question. That's my shit. If a girl lets me fuck her, I'm way quicker to call her again than if she didn't let me hit it. Fuck that. You'll get the truth out of me. I Don't give a fuck what you look like. I'll bang your shit out. Straight up. I ain’t got no kind of morals. Shaggy one time got with 3 chicks at once. I Got with 2 chicks at once 4 different times, for a total of 8 different bitches. Nope, we decently ain't the sweet heart guys you might have hoped we d be. Shit, we some scrubby ass, dirty motherfuckers. Ain’t no tellin' where I've been baby. I Probably got Scabies, The Clap, Skiffs, I'm burnin, The Drip, Herpes and Cribby Crabs. Shit... I'm a motherfucker, I'll fuck your mother. Take me home to meet your parents and I'll steal $50 bucks out of your dad's wallet and goose your mom on the way out...

Goose?

Yeah.. Squeeze her fat ass.

Oh. Ok... Anymore about the kind of girls you like?

Yeah.. lots more... I like skater chicks. Hell yeah. Baggy ass pants and a stomach shirt with them little underwear strings coming up over her hips... hell yeah. That's my shit. I Never get them though, they don't like me. Because I'm a big, fat, tall, gumpy giant and I scare bitches. I'm too loud and crazy. In Europe this woman told me I was too loud and I was scarring her children. I Looked and her kids were my age! But If I could, I'd get one of them alternative, skater chicks with the sexy stomach shirts and I'd take off her baggy ass pants, pull her underwear up off her hips and then guess what I'd do..

I don't know, what?

I'd fuck her.

Yeah. Anymore?

Yeah... I Like older mom chicks too, cause they come at you for sex. You don't have to sit there and beg for that shit. Sometimes older, mom chicks attack YOU for it. It's happened to me once before. One time a girl... forget it. I love girls. I'll drive to your fuckin' house right now no matter where you live. I'll take a pontoon to get to your house. I'll hand glide off a cliff if you live in a cave. I've fucked ghost, aliens, mermaids, everything. I gives a fuck... Call me 313-960-4011 that's my voice mail. No fuckin' dudes either. If you’re a dude and you call me for anything, than you’re a fag. If you call me and diss me that means you love me, faggot... Chicks only. If you call and it says it's disconnected, call back later cause my voice mail is cheap it never works right. It usually works for only a few hours a day. Call me. I Gives a fuck. I'll come over and part your pink sea. I'm crazy like that. You know what they call me?

What? 


They call me J!

Yeah.... You’re a loony... OK... Lets move along now...

You know what else they call me?

What?

Shrivel foot

Why?

Because I have a fake toot. It's really a balloon. I have to blow it up in the morning. Then at night I deflate it and it shrivels up like a balloon. So they call me Shrivel Foot.

Oh... Well5 Jesse wants to know "What’s your typical day like"?

Jesse can fuck oft. I Wanna talk more about bitches. I Love all girls. I Like old school, rock chicks with booty hair and tight ass, stone wash jeans. I go to Dokken concerts and spring old wolf chicks. I wear my Judas Priest Jacket, and Shaggy's tight ass wranglers. They love it. They’re extra tight on me. I'm not as dirty as I just said I was. I'm really a nice ninja. I want to take you to my house. It you can cook me dinner that would be the shit. Do you think any chicks are gonna read this?

I Don’t know, Probably. Have you ever fallen in love?

Fuck yeah I have. 3 Times. I Loved my first girlfriend Karen. She made it all possible to do this whole ICP shit. She let me live with her with no loot for like two years. When I say no loot, I don't mean a little bit here and there, I mean NO FUCKIN' LOOT. She fed me, she helped me, she drove me everywhere, she did it all for me. I smashed her car 3 times and totaled it the last time. I was such a fuckin' bastard. I Think I put her in debt something like $40,000 dollars. She worked as a manager at a video store. She use to let me steal videos from there all the time. One time I hit it in her video store when it was closed. That was fresh. Who knows what she thinks of me now, but I did and I always will love that bitch. She was crazy though. That's why I love her so much. Crazy bitch. It I found out that her husband or boyfriend or what ever she has now, was treating her like I was treating her, I'd go over there and stab him 50 times with a screw driver in his head.

Then came Lori. She was my second bitch. I loved her too. It was a completely different love. I didn't love her more or less than Karen, it was two completely different loves. I Know I sound like a pansy right now but just hear me out motherfuckers. Both were some crazy shit. Lori was a leader, so I thought. But now I think nothing of her. She left me at my most hardest time. That's how I see it. She probably sees it way different than me. She never liked my shit. She never got the Dark Carnival and that was a big problem with me. She wasn’t feeling it. When I look at it, she left me hangin' when I was completely out of my mind with making it all work with ICP. Fuck that shit man, that's when she should have had my back the most. Just like my best friends did. And my mom did.

She was so strong and firm about what she wanted to do with her life and yet the last time I talked to her, she ain’t moved at all. She dissed me only cause I was probably too fast and too strong for her to keep up with. Whoo!

Do you still Know this chick?

Nope. I Saw her at the airport about a year ago and she was with her boy friend and she tried to hide and acted like she didn't see me. Like I'd stalk her or something. Fuck her for that. Anyway I've met women now that blow her away at power.

Look man, I don't give a fuck who you are, the only thing that can destroy the biggest warrior is love. Bitches can kill you. When I split with Karen, Lori was right there. So that was easier to get through. But when Lori was outti, I was destroyed. I just wanted to go.. and go... and go.. If I stopped and I was alone, it would start to fuck me up again. Love lifts you way up when you get it, but then it drops you back down hard when you lose it. You can't win. My mom's been married 3 times... I've had mad dads. Life always seems to outlive relationships. Besides what the fuck does this love shit have to do with ICP? Why are we talking about this lovely love shit?

Just keep on babbling. This is a great way to let Juggalos know what you’re like to hang out with.

Yeah, fresh. Well I'm going to leave you with this one story about a bitch. You want to know why? Because love... and bitches... and shit like that, is a major part of everybody’s life, even ours. Listen, then I'm done with this fuckin' dragged out, long ass interview. My nuts are stuck to the side of my leg because we been sitting here so long.

Yeah ok. But hey man, this interview is the shit and you’re the shit for doing this.

Raise up hound dog. Ok, Listen... My brother told me that there's a lyric in an Ice T song that said something like If you can over come the power of pussy, the whole world is yours". Something like that. Anyway that's the dead truth. When I was in jail, every motherfucker was in there over a bitch somehow. Child Support, stalking, whatever. I'll bet you $50 bucks that all the bitches are in jail over ninjas too. That's how it works, love destroys you on both sides. When I broke up with Lori something like 4 or 5 years ago, all I did was keep moving and hiding from some more fuckin' love shit. No long term shit never. I stayed a player... Kept going and going. I kept moving state to state, shows, tours, studio, skins, shows, tours... never had time for a relationship and I never ever wanted one. After that Lori shit, I was done with that love shit...

And what happened?

I Fell in love. Like a dumb bitch. But fuck man, that shit schooled me harder than anything in my life. It was completely unexpected. I ain’t the type of motherfucker that walks around falling in love all the time. I'm more like a hit and run type ninja. But not with this girl.
That shit just happened recently too. Just a few months ago on the last tour. 'The Juggalo Funhouse Tour". We was touring with the my long time homies The Kottenmouth Kings.

You fell in love with one of the Kottonmouth Kings??

I Should fuck you up for saying that... Right now, I Should fuck you up. Remember about your sexy specs motherfucker... I'll slap them right oft our face...

Come on, You know I'm only playing. Tell us your story...

We had been out on the road for something like a week with the Kings. I was standing in the club that we were playing at before the doors opened in West Virginia. This short girl with long ass hair came walking right by me. She almost killed me cause I was so stunned at how fine she was. She didn't even look human.

She was so fine I thought the Dark Carnival was coming to get me and she was the first spirit I saw. But I was wrong. She was human, and worse than that she was my homies sister. Damn. I Asked "who the hell is that?" My brother told me, "Oh, that's Andra, she's D-Loc of the Kottenmouth King's sister. She is on tour with us, she rides in their bus... she is selling Kottonmouth T-shirts for them. So I quickly turned that shit oft and didn't look again. D-Loc is my homie and he knows I'm a dog so I gave it up right there. About 6 weeks went by. I had completely forgot that she even existed. Until the tour got to Chicago.

What happened in Chicago?

I Always like to walk around the venue before a show and I peek at the ninjas lining up out front waiting to get in. Sometimes it it's only a few ninjas out there, I'll go out there and kick it with them or whatever. So there I am at the Chicago venue just looking out this window and BAM! She walked right up to me and started talking to me. "Hi... what are you doing?" I was fuckin' stunned at how beautiful she was up close... I didn't know what to say... She was lookin' perfect up close. I sat there and tried to talk. I was almost speechless. She talked to me for about 30 minutes. Every last word she said amazed me. She was full of life and color. She had the strongest presence I have ever felt. I felt like I was talking to an angel, straight up. After that, it was on. It was some shit that I ain’t felt in fuckin' years. I didn't give a fuck whose sister she was. I Knew that I had nothing but good intentions with her. I asked D-Loc first and he told me to go after her. Besides, weather or not he was cool with it, I was still gonna. I was hooked. Obsessed... Determined... Crazy... Insane...

Stupid?

Yeah, a little bit of that too.

Yeah, I figured

To make a very long story short, we spent crazy time together until she left. I guess she wasn’t really about me. She said that I was the bomb but some shit was going on in her personal life that was just to fucked up. She told me that she really, really liked me, but she didn't want a ninja boyfriend right now. In other words... fuck oft.

The craziest shit was that I never even kissed her! Well, I would have... but that wasn’t my concern. I Just wanted to get with her FOREVER! MORE THAN ANYTHING! She was so fuckin’ perfect to me… She loved to travel, she loved music… She had dreams and goals… and she could talk to spirits! SHE FUCKIN’ TOLD ME THAT!

I was deep off into some love shit with her. I fell in love in just a few days like a big, stupid, stalker dumb ass.

So she left? What did she do, quit the tour?

The same day I met her she told me that she was leaving the tour in about a week. Her and the kings weren’t getting along. I tried to spend every second of that week with her hoping that she would stay on the road with me, or at least come back out to see me, but... no. Didn't happen. We got to LA and she was outti. I was dead. I was completely fuckin' dead. None of my boys wanted to hear anymore about Andra. I couldn’t move. I remember in Vegas, Mike Clark and a few of my homies flew out to see us and I was dead. I couldn’t even talk to them. I was a bitch. Once I had sampled perfection, nothing else mattered. She's all that I wanted. The only time I was alive is when I was on stage and surrounded by the Dark Carnival. Off stage I was dead. I would stair at the clock praying for showtime so that I could leave this world and become one with the spirits of the Carnival again on stage. Cause not even love can fade the Carnival baby.

As the weeks went by, I slowly unfroze from the deadly grasp of love and returned to my natural Juggalo self. What's crazy is how quick that shit hit me and left me for dead. That's straight up not my fuckin' style. She probably thought I was crazy or something. She probably thought I was a lunatic stalker or something...

Imagine that... Why would she ever think that?

Hey, fuck off.

So that’s it? that's the end of your fresh story?

Yes and no. Yes that's how it ended with her. She went back home and left my life forever. But I've yet to tell the moral of the story... You see, I deserved every last second of that pain. All the dissing I did to Karen and Lori back in the day... All the playing I've done to girls that might have really cared about me... I needed a big ass drop kick in the ass and I got it. BLAAAH! That's how it goes. I guess I had it coming for years. I deserved it. Don't you see? She never really existed! She was on a mission right from the very start to destroy me. She was just a ghost. She was way to good to be true. She was a phantom that approached me in Chicago, took my soul on a trip through heaven, and then dropped it off in hell. Then she jetted off to destroy the next ninja that deserves it. That's what I believe. But now I've finally crawled back out of Hell. I've brushed off the rubble. I live again. I have regained my strength. I can now clearly see the whole picture of what the deal is. She was just sent here from beyond to teach me something...

So have you learned from this?

Yes... I have. I learned that EASY E was right all along... Yeah, about what?
Easy was right when he said.. (Grabbing the tape recorder from the table and holding it right up to his mouth)

ALL BITCHES AINT SHIT!!!

JUGGALO NINJAS AND NINJETS! STAY DOWN WITH THE FUCKIN' CLOWN BECAUSE GOD KNOWS I’MMA STAY DOWN WITH YA'LL! PEACE! CLOWN LOVE! SEE YOU ON THE CARNIVAL GROUNDS BABY! IT'S OUR WORLD!!!

Shouts out to my homies Turd Crunch, Frog Bone, My bc Dirty Bun, Skinny P, Mud Lip, Slap Face, Slap Happy and Poop, Brussel Bean, my boys down on Dragoon, Poo Bear, Stinky Shit, Bubble Love, Sour Lip, Zit, Duck Mouth, Belly Hair… My boys Slop Eye, Smoke Ryda, Dumpster Tooth, Cheddar Face, Big Moon, Crooked Toilet...
My homie Shovel Dust, Tickle Foot, Stab Monkey down on Casper...
My boys Max Melt and West Side Lester, Doo Doo Tongue...
My dogs captain Kayos, TurnBuckle,
D-Oay, Spank, Booger,
The Red Baron,

And that was it. He tossed the tape recorder back in my lap and kept yelling fake names until he and Billy Bill walked clean out of the building and drove away.

Well Juggalos, I'm glad that I got to hear all of this first hand. He never stopped screaming the whole time of the interview. He never slowed down either. Continuously flailing his arms around, standing up, sitting and standing again. He seemed genius at times and yet, straight up insane at others. Billy Bill stayed with him the whole time. Billy seemed all too familiar with what J had to say about the struggling in the beginning and was probably reminiscing it all himself.

J and Billy lumped up and took oft so fast that I'm sure they were happy to finally get it all over with. I'm equally as glad that it's all over. After all, my ass still hurts from sitting on it for four hours straight. If there's anybody still out there reading this... Until next time... Peace and good bye.


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Tuesday, May 25, 1999

ICP • The Amazing Jeckel Brothers • LP

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His evil influence flows from the city streets like red molten ooze, filling every alley and gutter. There are those who are burnt by it, like the charred remains of a napalm strike. He moves in silence, yet with his heat comes ear-shattering screams as the masses are scorched in his choking smoke of corruption. His fire consumes like a lethal injection flowing through the veins of a dying convict. Hosts of small red ants crawl in the wake of his presence, biting and stinging flesh. His holocaust fills the woods of hope and prosperity like a wave of hungry piranhas on a newborn lamb. He goes by many names, but for now let it be spoken like the force of a fireball bursting into a crowd. He's Jack, pure and simple... Jack Jeckel.

His glow of compassion kindles the heart, like a campfire on a cold winter’s eve. His embers burn eternally, spreading the flame of mercy like a warm blanket over the shoulders of a vagabond. His kindness is fueled by sympathy for human suffering, but his inferno of righteous cause, incinerates creatures of sin to ash. The torch of his salvation guides wanderers in the dark abyss to freedom. Its flaring sparks float on the winds of change, like soaring birds recently freed from a dreary cage. Laughter explodes forth from the essence of his being, radiating the land with childish joy. He has many names, but for now let it be spoken like melodic music drifting through the air. He's Jake, true indeed... Jake Jeckel.

Emerging from the Dark Carnival like phantom smoke drifting into the minds of men, they are the Amazing Jeckel Brothers. A chaotic duo of juggling masters, Jack "the sinister" and Jake "the just" juggle the sins of mortal men. The price of admission to their show is a mere human soul.  When death creeps ‘round and life decays, the departed spirit will begin its journey. A vision of a candle will begin to form like a distant dream with billowing smoke rising from its eternal flame. In this thick haze the deceased will begin to see an image of Jake and Jack Jeckel juggling red balls between themselves. Each ball soaked in fresh blood and pulsating like an erratic living heart. For every sin committed in a mortal's life another ball is added to their unearthly performance and the harder it becomes. The deceased will witness sinister Jack throwing Jake curves in a vile attempt to see a ball drop. For if they should fumble in their act, a pit of infinite evil shall open beneath the feet of the viewer and cast the soul into an eternity of pain and suffering. Success on the other hand, opens the gates of Shangri-La and grants one ascension into pure enlightenment and peace.  Jack and Jake Jeckel rest in all of us for they are they very fabric of our being conscience and soul. There is no escape from their Juggling act because there is no way to escape from ourselves. Only in death will we realize this as we twist and spin to the other side….



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Wednesday, March 3, 1999

Violent J • Interview • Alone With Violent J • Part 3

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Alone With Violent J • Part 3
"THE DARK CARNIVAL DEFINED"

What about this crazy Dark Carnival shit?

Hey fuck you ninja. If you think it's crazy then don’t ask me about it. It you wanna know what The Dark Carnival is, rephrase the fuckin' question. That's all mother fuckers do all day is ask me "hey tell us about the Dark Carnival" then as you sit there and tell them, they got some half ass smile on there face like they’re entertained by how crazy you are. What do you think I'm a freak show and nows the part that you get to see how crazy I am? Fuck you!

OK, Please explain to the readers. The Dark Carnival.

(Drinking the last of his water and then pitching it across the room and into a garbage can, he explains with excitement) Look, some people are just chilling, living they're life and then all the sudden BANG! They flip out and go into an insane asylum out of nowhere, right? Other people are chilling and all the sudden BOOM! They catch the Holy Ghost and become a religious fanatic. Other people all the sudden change and do other things right? Well for me and Shaggy, we were just chilling when all the sudden our souls jumped into the Dark Carnival. I've never had a purpose in my life until then. It didn’t matter it I was here or not. I was nothing more than a grain of sand on a big ass beach. I was just another hair on a fat gorilla's ass. Ever since the Carnival, now feel like I have a purpose. I have a reason to be here, fuck that I don't feel like that, I know that shit.

The Dark Carnival's messages are in our lyrics. It's almost like all our lyrics are in code to the whole world. Nobody really hears what we're saying except for the Juggalos. They hear us. They know exactly what we're saying. Only a special open minded, street mutha fuckin' Juggalo can hear The Dark Carnival speaking to him threw our music. The Critics, the magazines, MTV and other bands.. Yeah they still hate us, but that's just because they don't understand us. They can’t hear what we're really saying. So to them we just suck. They're not listening for it so they'll never hear it. That's Fine. Fuck them. I Could give two fucks and a bitch slap what they think about Insane Clown Posse.

The Dark Carnival preaches to everyone in many different ways. Me and Shaggy are just one of it's ways to reach people. For example, even an old lady that plays Bingo every weekend will eventually hear the words of the Dark Carnival only it will be through a different outlet. Something that interests her will give her the message. Weather or not she acts upon it is up to her. What ever this force is, it reaches us all, whether you heed its warnings or not is your own choice.

What does the Dark Carnival do? Why does it exist?

This is what I vision. This is what will happen to those that received the Dark Carnival's messages threw us. After death, your soul will stand up out of your body. You will all the sudden see The Dark Carnival's parade of wagons rolling towards you. Lead by the 6 Joker's Card faces on giant flags and an entire parade of ghost and wagons following them. You'll know right when you see them that there not with God and not with the Devil... These wagons are about to take you to one of them though. You’re about to face judgement.

See, I think The Dark Carnival might neutral group of ghosts. Existing between heaven and hell. Because in life, it's warnings just open your eyes and show you what you are. They let you choose weather or not you feel you need to make a change in yourself. Once you die, they gladly take you to heaven or hell, which ever you deserve. In life, they just hold up a mirror to you and let you figure the rest out. That’s why I call it a warning. Cause most of us are fucked up people and we don’t even know it. Maybe a good look at yourself will open your eyes..

So I think after you die, The Carnival’s wagons will deliver your soul to it's resting-place. I think it's wagons take the good people to Shangrila (a heaven type place). The people that listened to it's words and changed their self for the better. The people that heeded it's warnings and realized that it sucks to be an evil bastard your whole life. I think it enjoys taking them to Shangri-La. It love's to take them. It probably takes them and congratulates them all the way there. It celebrates with them. It's clowns and jugglers sing , dance, and juggle all around them. They treat you like a king or a queen as they carry you of to paradise.

I also think those very same wagons carry evil souls to hell. I think it enjoys doing that too. It loves to taunt and humiliate the people that ignored it's warnings during life. The people that laughed at it's words and continued on with there selfish and evil lives all the way up until death. It loves to carry there wicked souls off to the fire pits of hell. It's clowns and jugglers laugh and taunt them all the way there. It makes the evil souls enter carnival exhibits and take rides that show them all there own mistakes and shoves it in their face. The House of Mirrors, The Murder Go Round, The Fun House, and more all the way to hell. We've explained and we continue to explain all of this threw our music.

It loves to reward the people who heeded it's warnings and it loves to punish those who laughed at it's warnings. Everybody in the world will hear it's words before they die. It will reach us all, weather or not you act upon it is up to you. The Dark Carnival is like one big "I Told you so" thing I guess.

Where do you believe you fit in with all this?

Right now were just some messengers for it. But when we die, I probably wont go to Shangri-La or to Hell, I believe that I'll be driving one of those wagons with the Dark Carnival. I'll be just another clown both congratulating and taunting souls. That's sort of what I'm thinking when I write things like, for example in The Show Must Go On, I say walk hand and hand with the dead carnival"... See what I'm saying? I'm saying the Dark Carnival will take you to your resting-place. Take my hand and I'll lead you to heaven or hell. Which ever you deserve. We warn people of what happens' after death to try to save them now. But if they laugh at us now and continue living life as an evil bastard, I'll laugh at them as I take them to hell. I know it's real cause we are it's magic.

I think they chose us probably cause when I was a kid and I lived in that Haunted House, I talked with them ghosts. I respected that we were living in there house. I knew it was still there house. Who ever the ghost were probably lived there when they died. He or she may have even built that house themselves. When they died, the County or City or whatever probably just took it and sold it to someone else. That's not fair. It they owned that house than that house should go down with them. Just cause you die doesn’t give somebody else the right to all the sudden sell your shit of. We were living in there house and I was sorry. We told the ghost that. I explained that my mom never meant to intrude and that we didn’t know when we rented the house. I loved them. They protected us. So that was probably our connection to the spirit world. Maybe my homie ghost put the good word in for us. They knew I was cool. Maybe, I don’t fuckin know.

Do the 6 Jokers Cards explain what The Dark Carnival is?

I Just explained what it is. The 6 Jokers Cards show you 6 different sides of yourself that you might have over looked. They help to show you your own evils ...Each Jokers Card is another version of you. For example, take The Ringmaster... Imagine if after you die, all your sins combined into one big monster... How big would your monster be? Ask your self that. Can you take down your own sin monster? If you cant, then your burning in Hell. If you can, than your of to Shangri-La. That's what the Ringmaster is (the 2nd .Iokers Card). Read the credits, listen to the intros. It's all explained on that album, weather it be the lyrics or in the credits. It's all there. Each Joker's cards shows you another way to look at your self. The Dark Carnival is just showing people how evil they can sometimes be without knowing it. You get to see yourself in 6 different ways before death. You can hear the messages plain as day. You don’t have to be a genius to hear them. You just have to be a regular, every day, open-minded Juggalo. What you think is a message, probably is. For example the song "Fuck Your Rebel flag" off Carnival Of Carnage (The 1st Joker's Card) it clearly says fuck racist people! Don’t be a bigot! That’s' what I mean by messages. Some go deeper than that, and some are bold and plain. But there all in there.

What about the stealing cars and all that shit you've done? Doesn’t that mean your going to Hell?

I don’t know. Probably. I do know this.. I wish I hadn’t stole all them stereos back then. That shit was wack. Them people probably busted there asses to pay for that shit. All they wanted to do was listen to a little bit of music on there way to work and back and I had to take that away from them. That was some bullshit. I've done alot of wack shit in my life. I Think I'm a better ninja now that I see the whole picture. Today I'm more likely to steal a stereo from a millionaire and give it to a scrub. When I think about that shit, I realize that Shaggy and his brother John weren't really doing anything bad by stealing all them books and CD's and shit. I mean, them stores got money, there big ass corporations. Who gives a fuck. They lose millions a year to theft, it's probably all calculated into the profits. But taking something from an individual is scantless. For example, if I stole a toaster from K-Mart that really ain’t shit. Nobody really suffers over that. If I stole YOUR toaster, that's wack. Cause you don’t get to have any toast tomorrow morning. That's a greedy and a heartless thing to do. I believe shit like that is evil.

The most important thing The Dark Carnival has taught me about getting my shit together and becoming a better ninja is this... You shouldn’t be a cool ninja just because your scared of going to Hell when you die.. You should be a cool ninja cause it's cool to be a cool ninja! Understand ninja? Cool.

What about the people that think your crazy?

I am crazy. I'm crazy fresh. I look at it like this. You got 2 clowns running around rappin' about your soul. Yelling about how there gonna take you to Heaven if you are the shit or take you to Hell if your a dick. Yeah that sounds pretty crazy, but what do you think ninjas were thinkin' when Noah was running around with a long ass beard and a wooden staff? Telling everyone that it's going to rain for a month? "Come get on my Ark!! It's going to rain for 40 days and 40 nights! You're all gonna drown!!" That shit probably sounded nuts too! I would have thought he was crazy just for calling it an ark instead of a boat! The few open-minded ninjas that actually did listen to him were mad lucky. The rest got mad wet.

Do you feel like the Noah of today?

Do you see me sportin' a toga mutha fucka? We ain't saying nothing like that! All we're saying is hey, look at your self bitch! Your an evil mother fucker! And then again, that's only like 10% percent of the music, the rest is about having fun! There ain't no message behind 90% of our shit. Songs like Cemetery Girl or Shaggy's Fuck Off! or even Southwest Voodoo are just to bob your nugget too. You can go listen to Rage Against The Machine if you want 100% messages all the time. Fuck! We like to get live and act stupid as often as possible! This ain't church! We ain't no fuckin' saints! We like telling scary stories in our music too! We like talking about murder and all that. That shit's wicked! The Dark Carnival is the Dark Carnival, but ICP is ICP. Insane Clown Posse is all about nothing! Have some fuckin' fun! We'll tell a hot chick to fuck off just cause nobody ever tells her that. That's ICP! We'll tell a bitch that in a minute. The Dark Carnival is some deep shit to think about, but I very much believe in God too. Believe me I'd rather float in Heaven than drive a wagon after I die, but looking at the life I lead right now, I doubt I’ll be able to. I try to be religious or whatever but I'm just shitty right now. When I get older I'll probably try to get my shit straight. ICP is about bitches, Faygo, Juggalos, and dumb shit. Do I feel like the Noah of today? Naa, I feel more like Noah is the Violent J of yesterday. If I was Noah, I would have changed my name to Juggaloah and built a big ass surf board and surfed my ass all over the planet. Fuck collecting' Lamas and shit.

What Happens after the Six Joker's Cards are all released?

We sit around and wait to die. Time will consume us all. Might happen that night, might happen 30 years later. All I know is after that, my job is done. I've givin' all the warnings and I've opened many eyes. Maybe not your bitch ass eyes, but I've opened eyes none the less. Me and Shaggy might kill ourselves and we might kill yourselves. We might tour with the Monkeys. Who the fuck knows? I might sit and play the sitar naked on top of a pine tree with the top pine up my ass! Who cares? As long as we have unleashed all 6 prophets of the Dark Carnival and all 6 are circulating inside this world, my work is finished. If the world doesn’t explode. well probably keep rappin and touring but who knows? I might keep warning people. We might release 6 more Joker's cards. And then 6 more! Put them all together and that’s 3 sets of 6! Triple sixes! Then Marylyn Manson will jump out and we all strip down to our panties and dance! Who the 'mutha fuck knows? Maybe the skies will turn black and souls will scream in terror so loud that it can be herd all throughout the universe.

Ok... Wow. That was some deep shit man. You had me wanting to go to church or something. Ok..

new subject. Why do you use the word Bitch so much? Do you care if you offend women?

No more than I care if I offend a man. Who gives a fuck? Women want to be treated as an equal right? That's what I do. They lucky I don’t beat they ass just as quick as I'd beat a dudes! (laughing) I'm only playing’. I'll call a bitch a bitch just as quick as I'll call a guy a bitch. Women make up half the world. Fat women make up more than half (laughing). Women run this planet. I love women. I love to fuck women. But I don’t give no breaks to anyone in my music. You think I'd give a fuck if a women's organization was protesting one of my shows? Hell no! I'd go out there and squeeze there asses! Then I'd say something like.. "Hey bitch, nice ass" or maybe something fresh like, "You got a name to go with them titties? 

Women, men, kids, old people, what the fuck. We're all the same. People need to quit crying about stupid shit all the time. Come on man, I'm sure. Like any rapper out there really means harm by using the word bitch. Think about how stupid that is. Do you have any idea how many times I use the word bitch when I'm describing Shaggy? (laughing with Billy Bill) I mean, I call guys bitches all day. Me and my crew refer to everybody as a bitch. Any lady that gets pissed about me referring to chicks as bitches in my music can go fuck themselves. Plus think about this... If I called you a fag would you get pissed? Probably not as much as you would if you really were gay! So when my homies call me a fag it's funny cause I ain’t gay. If I was gay that shit would probably hurt my feelings and I'd cry about it or something. So why do some women get pissed about rappers calling them bitches? Cause they’re bitches! Real women over look that stupid shit. Real women know that we really don't mean anything by that. We're just trying to sound tough. Real women don't get offended by some rap record that says bitch on it. They got bigger shit to think about. But if you take some lame ass bitch that ain’t got shit going on in her life, and she'll make a big deal out of it. Women and men are exactly the same in this world. Just as many wack dudes as there are out there, you' got tons of wack bitches too. I respect both the fuckin' same. You'd have to be an idiot not to. The only people that I consider below me are the people that always cry about dumb shit like that. I'm a bitch killer! Men bitches and bitch bitches bitch! So in the infamous words of Todd Shaw...(Too Short) "Byyyyaattch!"

How do you feel about people that beat women?

You know how I feel about it. Plain and simple, if you beat your woman then you’re a bitch. Unless you walk in the house and catch her fuckin' your homie or something. Then you should do what ever comes natural in my opinion. If I was married and I caught my wife fucking the mailman, I’d choke slam that bitch off my roof. But if you just take some wack ninja that's a piece of shit and he comes home drunk and beats his woman, that's a sad mother fucker. Think about that shit. Almost every female has a story about getting hit to. Think about that.. She's sitting there at the house waiting for that ninja to come home so she can be with him. Then he finally gets home and he beats her ass cause he had a bad day. That shit makes me want to kill somebody. He's probably a pansy ass all day long taking shit from everybody. Then he crawls in his house and all the sudden he's a bad mother fucker. All the sudden he's the king and the only person he rules is the one that's there to love him. He's such a punk that he has to beat her so that he feels powerful or something.

I saw a commercial on TV that triggered all my feelings about this. This weak looking' guy and his woman were sitting in bed. They could hear an argument going on in the apartment above them. They could hear some guy beating his wife or whatever. So they were looking at each other wondering if they should do something about it, but instead they just cut the lights out and went to bed. That shit made no want to explode. If that was me, I would have ran up there and started beating the hell out of who ever lived there. I Don’t give a fuck if Goldberg came to the door. I would have sacked that mother fucker threw the wall. That’s why I got in trouble half the time. I'm always trying to be a super hero when it ain’t my business, but I give no fuck. I Think that guy and his wife should have been shot for just ignoring that. Who could sit threw that and just go to sleep. The worst thing about it is millions of kids everywhere have to every night.

When I lived downtown, in Cass corridor. I could always hear this lady getting fucked in the other apartment. I Use to want to jump in there and help fuck that lady! I Always want to get involved with shit. Anyway quit asking about shit like that. That just gets me pissed and you’ve been getting me pissed alot all day. I'm about to punch that mouth off your face.

ICP's lyrics offend alot of parents.. How do you feel about that?

When I answer this, I want you to know that I really mean it. I truly, really, sincerely could give a rat's ass. I can't think of anything I care less about than that. The way I feel about that whole topic is like Esham said in a song.. "You think I give a fuck if I make your grandma cry?" That couldn’t have been said any better. He summed it all up right there. Of all the shit to be stressin' about in my every day life, the last thing on my mind has got to be some mom's feelings about my lyrics.

What you and your mom got to realize is that she is YOUR mom, not mine. I got my own mom to worry about. So when your mom writes me a letter that says.. "This is Jimmy's MOTHER!!!!" Does she honestly think that intimidates me or something? Moms ain’t nothing but older grown up chicks! Think about it! There was a time when your mom was at a party or something and a group of ninjas were standing around, hawkin' her. They were probably like "Damn dog, I wanna fuck that bitch man... Yeah, that's that chick Ralph banged. He said that freak can fuck". Yeah it's wack to think about that, but fuck you! It's true! Your mom was once a hood rat in the hood! So with that in mind, do you think I care what she thinks about my songs? Look at it like this... What do you think I would do if some 18 year old, stacked ass hottie walked up to me at an instore (autograph signing session at a record store) and said... "Hey, I think you suck. If I had it my way, I'd have you removed from all the record stores in this country. I'd take away everything you've done and have them lock you up. You're a piece of shit buddy" ... What do think I'd do? The least thing I'd do is tell that bitch to eat shit and die! I'd be like "Bitch! What did you say? You bettor raise up before I have one of my home girls stomp your ass!" I wouldn’t take that from an l8 year old hottie now or a few years later when she's your mom. Your mom and daddy ain’t nothing but you in a few years anyway. I'll tell them to fuck off just as quick as I'd tell you too!

Sounds like you've got this thing all figured out huh?

That's right. Moms and dads are always throwing the fact that they’re somebody’s parents around like that fuckin' matters. Do you know how many times kids go to my concerts and have their parents show up at the door trying to drag them out? Do you know what happens when they do? The ninja at the door is like .."Sorry miss, the show is sold out". Then the mom says "Well sir, I'm blaa blaa's MOTHER. I’m going in there RIGHT NOW!" Then she tries to walk past the ninja! You know what happens then? The ninja puts her in a head lock and slams her against the wall and tosses her out! She has to realize that she might be blaa blaa's mother, but that don’t mean shit to the rest of us! Neither does your mom... or my mom! Yes, our moms might rule and control us... but your mom only rules you, and my mom only rules me. That's how I see it when it comes to somebody else's mom sweating me. If I'm at my homies house yeah, I'll respect the shit out of his parents and all that, but you know what I'm saying.

Let me just tell you this one story that I call "The 3 Mistakes", then I'll drop the whole subject. I'll tell you the story and you try to figure out the 3 mistakes that where made that day. I love this story...
When I was about 19, I was with my homies at this chick's house named Danielle. Anyway, my boy fucked her and we left her house and went home. About an hour goes by and she calls me and says "Hey... you stole a watch from my house".. I said "What? No I didn’t. I didn’t steal shit." Then she says something like "Yes you did! I know you did. You always steal stuff from peoples houses!". I said "Bitch, I didn’t steal your watch and that’s it.. fuck you!" I hung up the phone. Anyway Danielle kept calling and saying that I took her watch and her dad was going to kill her and I kept telling her to fuck off. Finally she stopped calling. After a few hours goes by the phone rings again... I pick it up.. "Hello?" this is what I hear... "Joe? This is Danielle's MOTHER! When my husband gets home from work tomorrow, that watch had better be left in our mailbox or else!" Can you believe that shit??? I said "BBBYYYAATTCCHHH! Fuck you! I don’t care who's mother fuckin' MOM you are BITCH! Do you think just because your her fuckin' MOM, I all the sudden got that watch??? Fuck off! I ain’t got the fuckin' watch and if I did, I'd come over there and break it in front of you BBYATCH!!" I was so pissed I wanted to slap that hoe. Anyway, get this... 15 minutes goes by and a car comes screeching up in front of my house. Danielle's Dad gets out super pissed off. He slams his car door and comes running up to our door. Guess what happened...

I don’t know, what happened?

I came running right out the house and I met his ass on the lawn. He was shook. He was completely suprised! The first words out of my mouth were "What bitch? What are you gonna do?" He was speechless, but he couldn’t back down then... He had to still at least try to be a man and get in my face, but then he made the fatal mistake of pushing me. He got beat like a bitch right there on my lawn. I beat the hell out of that motherfucker. Then I kicked the shit out of him. Then he crawled back into his car and had to drive all the way back home with a fat lip, a swollen eye, bruised ribs... and no watch.
What do you think they all did wrong? You tell me... What do you think him and his family's mistakes were that day? Where did they all go wrong on that warm summer evening?

I don’t know ninja.. you tell me..

I will tell you, bitch! They made 3 big ass mistakes...

No. 1. That bitch Danielle made the first mistake. She accused me of stealing that watch when she had no real proof or no facts that could actually prove it was me. So on strictly just a good hunch, she made a call like that... She was probably so nervous about the watch missing, that when her mom and daddy got home, she probably told them that she SAW me take if or something. Maybe she told them that I admitted to her that I took it or something like that. That way the blame was totally off of her and on me. That was the first mistake and that was the biggest one, cause that's how this whole shit ended up going down. That's what got her daddy a beat down. Looking at the whole picture, Danielle should have just kept a better eye on that watch. Cause when it came up missing, she sold out and blamed somebody else for it. Right when they came home she probably ran up to them and said "Mom! Dad! This kid name Joe stole your watch! It wasn’t my fault!" Even though everything went downhill for the whole family after that, I'll bet you Danielle was still thinking "Whoo, at least I'm in the clear"... that dumb bitch. That was the first mistake of the day.

Mistake One: Trying to pass the blame on to someone else to save your own ass.
No.2. The second mistake is exactly what we've been talking about. Mom's and Dad’s overstepping there boundaries of power. They have to realize that yes, they DO have power, but only in there own house! Only in their own family! Sometimes parents try to flex that power past their boundaries and they have to watch that shit. Danielle's mom fucked up when she called me and treated me like I was HER kid or something... She said "This is her MOTHER!!!" She failed to realize that I love and respect only MY mother. Not her ass! To me, this was just some old bitch with droopy titties on the other end of my phone. She didn’t mean jack shit to me or my family. So when she came off calling me a thief and threatening me, she got dissed back. That's when her husband came in... He was like "What! He said what honey???? He called you a what!!!?? I'll kill him!!". Once again over stepping his boundaries. Yeah, it's cool to defend your wife and all that, but to just assume that you can handle me because your somebody's dad was a bad move. He figured "OK, here's this little punk over here hangin’ out with my daughter, so He’ll be terrified when I ride up on him... After all... I'm her FATHER". Well you see that was a bad move. That's what got his ass kicked. Cause, yeah, he was Danielle's father, alright, but to me, he was just some old ninja trying to run up on me. So I kicked his ass for it. I don’t even have a father! So I especially don’t give a fuck about this ninja! So Danielle's parents both are guilty of making the second mistake.

Mistake Two: Over stepping your power as a parent.

What was the 3rd mistake?

No 3. The third mistake was leaving that watch just sitting out on the table like that for me to take... (More hysterical laughing with his homie, Billy Bill)

Mistake Three: Trusting Violent J with valuables sitting around.

Well... Doesn’t that fall into the same lines of what you were saying about stealing something from an individual? Don’t you believe that's an evil thing to do?

Now I do. Besides, did I say I took watch, bitch?

No you didn’t really say you if you did or didn’t… Did you?

Don’t fuckin' worry about it. That don’t fuckin' matter. Don’t you got the moral of the fuckin' story? It's about parents thinking they’re the shit too much. Now you are just confusing ninjas. We already covered the topic of stealing shit, mother fucker. How about I punch you? Were done with this subject. Lets move on now... first let me piss…

(J gets up and leaves the room. After a minute or so, I look up after checking my notes and I notice that Billy Bill is staring directly at me with a ruthless look. I quickly look back down at my folder. About 20 seconds pass and I glance up again. He hasn’t moved an inch. He is staring right at me as if he doesn’t like me at all. I'm a bit concerned because I know that Billy Bill has a big reputation of beating people down all the time. I've heard about this numerous times. I Finally speak... "So, how long have you and J known each other?" (He says nothing at all. He just keeps staring right at me. I try to continue with my brave questioning) "Are you guys going----" (interrupted)

Billy Bill says: Shut your mouth until he gets back in here.

(I quickly shut my mouth and dig back into my notes as if nothing was said at all. After about 2 more of the longest, most stressful minutes of my life, J finally walks back in. He's got a bag of popcorn and 2 cans of Faygo from the machine just outside the door. He tosses Billy Bill a can of Faygo and cracks the other open for himself. He doesn’t toss me shit. I continue my questioning.) Well, tell me about the ICP Dolls that are coming out in March.

We got some dolls coming out. They’re the shit (chewing his popcorn). We got one for each of us. My guy comes with a little plastic axe. Shaggy's comes with a voodoo spear. They both come in one package. We had those other ones made but they were wack. They were like some big ass Ken dolls or something. They were being made by Hollywood Records and when they dropped us, the whole shit got canned. We still got the prototype dolls though. I have some in my collection. My collection is mad weak. I’m missing more than half the shit we put out. I always give that shit away. Anyway, I think the action figures are going to be sold at some record stores and those novelty places in the malls that sell all that weird shit like 3 Stooges clocks or whatever. Spencer’s or whatever it's called. I don’t fuckin' know what they’re going to do with them. Why the fuck are you asking me about this shit? Ask Alex that shit. Ask me something fresh.

How is your relationship with Shaggy?

Are you running out of shit to ask or what? What the fuck do you expect me to say? All you hear is these other bands talking about all the troubles they have in the studio with each other on the road and shit. Just watch that shit on VH1. They do these documentaries on bands and all they ever do is hate each other. Fuck them fake ass business bands.

What’s it like in the studio?

Shit... You’d shit your panties like a bitch. Everyone would if they saw the magic. We rarely show anybody though. When people are over Mike's we always front about everything. We just try to sit there and run a regular session until they leave. Mike will never publicly tell people about the Dark Carnival. My guess is that he might have tried at first, but people probably just dissed him so hard that he gave it up now. He probably just figures "Fuck it! Why tell people?" Me and Shaggy love the dissing we get though. We love the fact that people hate us. No one believes us. That's the whole fun of it. That’s the whole game. Do you believe it or not? We tell everyone that will listen about the spirits that we run with. The spirits tell their homies about us too. I'll bet.

There is 5 of us in the studio at all times. Me, Shaggy, Mike, Legs, and The Dark Carnival. The Dark Carnival runs that bitch. What ever it wants, it gets. When it's supposed to be a certain way we can all feel it. There is never any question. When we go against that feeling and do something else, everything shakes on Mike's walls. Fuckin' ask anybody that's been down there when it happens. I love that crazy shit. I freak my best homies out with that shit. They always think it's some kind of trick. I showed my mom that shit. She was just as freaked out as when we lived in that haunted house. The Dark Carnival oversees everything we do. Everything has to be it's way and we wouldn’t want it any other way.

OK... lets get back to your friendship with Shaggy…

We ain't like these other bitch ass bands. We hang out when there ain’t shit to do with ICP happening that day. Fuck him though. He's wack to talk too. When you’ve known somebody for something like 12 years and hung out with them constantly the whole time, there ain't nothing to say. What do you say to a ninja that you've known your whole life? They've already heard your opinion on everything. They 've already heard every story you've got to tell. So me and Shaggy will be on a plane sitting right next to each other and we won’t say shit. We know each other too good. That's why we always hang out with so many other ninjas. But most ninjas come around and hang with us cause they think we're about what rock stars are about... Dope, money, fame and party’s. But after a while, they see that we ain't about shit! Wait, let me rephrase that, after a while they see that we ain't like the rest of them bands and so they jet out. We stay hidden, fuck that fame shit. Usually they jet out cause they think we're crazy! We talk to spirits and we dance with the dead under the moonlight. That's the kind of shit we do with our time. We come to nobody, they all come to us. We leave from nobody, they all leave from us. Look at the history of Psychopathic employees and rappers that have all come and gone... Project Born... Fink the East Side G... Frank G... Spudler... and more. One thing ninjas can count on and that's ICP and Psychopathic always staying together, cause we're just like butt cheeks… We just don’t make any noise unless we're pressed together. Byatch.




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