What was Bizzar Bizaar? Was that a big stall for the 6th Jokers Card?
Violent J answers...
First let me say that who ever asked this question was smart not to ask it to my face. This question almost calls for a smack. Bizzar Bizaar were the absolute best records we have done. That’s what I feel. I mean I personally like the Joker’s Cards better because they have meaning behind them. The Carnival’s magic is strong. Plus they have a theme to follow, which is always fun in the studio. But Bizzar Bizaar as a free standing double album I think was the very best we have ever done. You all might think I’m crazy but if you really listen with an open ear, and don’t doubt it before you even play it, you just might agree!
People say that Bizzar and Bizaar were soft and not like the early days of ICP. Is this true in your eyes?
Violent J says...
Let me address this. Many, many people out there have said that ICP has gotten softer over the years and our shit is not as hard as it used to be. Well hey, I also have my own favorite groups out there and I know just how you feel. For me, NWA’s 1st album "Straight Outta Compton" seems 10 times harder than NWA’s 2nd album "Niggas4life." Even though NWA cusses twice as much and kills twice as many people on their 2nd album, the 1st still seems harder! Why? Because their 1st album was the very first time I EVER HEARD them rap! I was shocked by it! By the time their 2nd album came out, it was just more of the same shocking stuff. So it seemed less shocking to me. Now that I’ve figured it all out, I went back and studied both the NWA albums and I now think they are both HARD AS FUCK.…
So yo, please Juggalos. Do me a favor.… For everyone who says we’re getting softer as we go, I want you all to really REALLY think about what you’re saying. Is Bizzar and Bizaar really softer than the old shit? Or is it that we can only shock you so many times? How many times can we say that we eat dead bodies before it ain’t shocking to you any more? Well it ain’t shocking anymore, therefore I don’t really say it anymore. I already said it!
I have no question in my mind that if our albums were released in a backwards order most people would still be saying the same thing. They would all still say that we’re getting softer as we go. If we released Bizzar in 1991 and we called it the 1st Jokers Card, everybody would love it. Then if we released the other Bizaar as the 2nd Jokers Card in 1993 you would all love that too. Then if this year in 2001 we released "Carnival Of Carnage" and "Ringmaster" as a double album, I believe most people would still be telling me that we’re getting softer as we go. That is my true belief.
Shaggy adds....
The reason most people think were getting softer is because the older stuff is the first time you heard us! That was the 1st time anybody heard us talking like that! Just like the Rodney King beatings, after the 100th time watching it, it all becomes less shocking to you. Well after hearing 8 ICP albums of BLOOD, GUTS, AND MURDER, the new shit is less shocking even though it contains just as much BLOOD GUTS AND MURDER!
No we don’t think ICP is getting any softer, we just think you Juggalos are getting harder. That’s what we say.
Violent J and Shaggy then say this...
Juggalos. If you wanna get shocked again, you got it. Let us put this on record right now. We don’t need any Bloody Brothers to get wicked. We don’t need any Dark Lotus to let the darkness out. You want ICP at it’s wickedest? You got it. Get ready to have nightmares and panic attacks, mutha fuckas, because you gonna see us at our most deadly come the 6th Jokers Card. Straight up.
No Bullshit. When is Bloody Brothers coming out? When is Dark Lotus coming out? Most importantly when is the mighty 6th coming out?
Shaggy answers...
It’s all our fuckin’ fault. Don’t blame Psychopathic Records for that shit; just blame us. Here is our problem.… We’ll get home from tour and even though we’ll only have a week off, we’ll jump right in the studio. We’ll get started on something really hot and almost forget that we have to go back on tour. So even though we’ll have to go back out on the road, and we really have no time to finish what we’ve started, we always still announce what we did! We just get too geeked up and we tell everyone IT’S COMING SOON! That’s our fault. That is what has been happening for over two years with Dark Lotus, and now it’s happening with Bloody Brothers! Now, we’re running around telling everybody about Bloody Brothers and we ain’t even got Lotus out yet! We truly apologize for us being so stupid and jumping the gun the way we do.
Violent J adds this...
We’ve been putting off Dark Lotus and promising Juggalos that record for two and a half years now. Well, let me finally drop the fuckin’ facts, Juggalos. The record is done! The entire album is finished and mixed. We just finished it this fuckin’ week. The album is called "Tales of the Lotus Pod." Yes, its finally done, DONE, it’s DONE!!! And it’s finished, too!
Shaggy and J continue...
We know we’ve also sucked about announcing the official line-up for Dark Lotus. Nobody really knows who’s in it or who ain’t! Over the last few years we’ve told Juggalos that everybody from Esham The Unholy to Vampiro are in the group. But now that the record is done, we will finally be able to tell you THE REAL DEAL... Get ready!!! The official members of Dark Lotus are:
VIOLENT J... JAMIE MADROX... SHAGGY 2 DOPE... BLAZE YA DEAD HOMIE... MONOXIDE and plus an unexpected secret member that your all hearing about for the first time. That special secret member is... MARZ!!! Yes M-A-R-Z!
Alex Abbiss jumps in...
Yes, Juggalos. Let the news be told. Marz is in Dark Lotus officially. He will join along for all Dark Lotus in-stores, tours, and everything Dark Lotus does as a group. Marz, however, is not officially signed to Psychopathic Records; but that is ONLY because he is already signed to another company and there is nothing we can do about it. But Marz is definitely the secret member to the Psychopathic’s Dark Lotus Family.
Violent J continues...
So there you all go. That is the real deal. DARK LOTUS "TALES OF THE LOTUS POD" is completed, and it has an official release date. In fact, Juggalos, it has 2 official release dates. I’ll let Jump Steady explain....
Jump Steady explains the big news...
Dark Lotus "Tales of the Lotus Pod" will be available in two special versions. You are hearing this news for the very first time right now! Nobody knew this flavor until now. There will be 2 different versions of "Tales of the Lotus Pod." The first version will be available only, and we mean ONLY at the Gathering of the Juggalos, and nowhere else. YOU MUST attend the Gathering of the Juggalos on Friday July 13th, 14th, or 15th in Toledo, Ohio to get this special version. What makes this version so special, you ask? Well for one thing the "Gathering Version" contains an extra song! This extra track will NOT be featured on the street version of the album. But that ain’t all. The "Gathering Version" also has a special CD cover and booklet. It’s clearly the special freshness version.
The "Gathering Version" of "Tales of the Lotus Pod," will quickly become the extremely hard to get and expensive version, so don’t miss your fuckin’ chance. Get to the Gathering and get your special version before you end up paying $100’s for it on eBay.
If you cannot make the Gathering this year... fear not, Juggalos. Of course you can still get the Dark Lotus album, but it won’t have an extra track. But that’s OK. The album is fat as fuck as it is. Exactly two weeks after the Gathering, on August 1st, 2001 the regular street version of "Tales of the Lotus Pod" will hit shelves worldwide. Dark Lotus is finally coming out! Whoooooooooo!
Violent J adds this...
Before we answer that shit about the Bloody Brothers and the 6th Jokers Card, I want to talk a li’l bit about the Dark Lotus record. I’m serious, yall. It’s fuckin’ scary. It contains REAL black magic. I’m talkin’ the real deal. Many of the songs on this album were recorded by candle light with garlic stems hanging above us. We followed the books exactly. Many times while we were reciting the albums lyrics, the temperature in the studio would drop below freezing. I’m telling you that many of the lyrics on "Tales of the Lotus Pod" are taken straight from real books of Black Magic.
It all started with these authentic books of Black Magic that we got from Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. No we didn’t go all the way there to get them or anything, but my brother (Jump Steady) was there years ago. He was in the Army and he was stationed deep in the dessert. He found the books and he brought them back for us. We dug into these books and cast real shit in the music! The album contains real spells and hexes. It’s the Dark Carnival expressed so hard you’ll feel it. Yo, recording this album was really, REALLY fuckin’ crazy.
I can’t front, though, we kind of got mad scared when all types of crazy shit started happening to us. I woke up one night with a faceless woman floating above my bed. I was so shook I couldn’t move. My dogs and I just laid there watching the spirit until it faded away. Another crazy point was when I woke up with a black crow in my fuckin’ bedroom. We had to call an animal ninja to come get it out! After a few things like that happened, we decided to change a few lyrics. Too much is too much! So we finally went back into the studio and changed some of the lyrics just a tiny bit so that Juggalos everywhere wouldn’t be getting haunted by wicked spirits just for singing the words. We changed some shit but hardly any. It’s almost exact by the book. But everybody should be okay... I hope. Be careful while you’re singing along to that album in your car because you have no idea what you might call up from the beyond.
Now listin‘... If you think this is a joke then fuck it. It might as well be. Just know this.… We already know that the album is going to sell no matter what. Juggalos are going to buy it everywhere no matter what. So don’t think we’re just making this black magic shit up. We’re telling you to be warned. because the album is definitely the wickedest shit we’ve done thus far. Not wicked as in cussing and being a badass, I mean wicked as in legit, REAL BLACK MAGIC. Take my warning for what it’s worth, y’all. At least now I can’t say I never warned you.
Now that we know when Dark Lotus is finally coming out, when can we expect Bloody Brothers and the 6th Joker’s card.
Shaggy answers...
Let’s not bullshit. We don’t know if Bloody Brothers will ever come out. We did a few cuts but it’s really along ways away. I ain’t even going to lie. It took every extra second we had just to finish Dark Lotus. The one thing we DON'T EVER DO is rush something. Except maybe Psychopathic Rydas. But that’s rushed only because it’s so easy to do. All the beats are ripped off. The music is all stolen from other rappers’ instrumentals. That makes it easy enough to do like two or three songs a day. When we do ICP, however, it’s more like we spend a week on every song. Some rappers move way faster than us in the studio, but we’re slower because we get much more involved. We cannot make music without the presence of The Dark Carnival. So we have to have the right amount of time to make our music. To answer the question about the Bloody Brothers album… all I can say is not this year, y’all. Sorry. Were trying as hard as we can to visit every city on tour, and make all that music at the same time is just too fuckin’ crazy.
Violent J adds...
As for the 6th Jokers Card…. Usually we never address a Jokers Card until it’s that Spirit’s era. However, the era of the Sixth seems to be rapidly approaching, so I will talk about it. We’ve told everybody in the past that we never will release the 6th Joker’s Card or any Joker’s Card again while we’re signed to Island / Def Jam Records. Island is too corporate and too large to properly handle a delicate project like the 6th. Island / Def Jam releasing the 6th Joker’s Card would be like a 200-foot giant trying to fit inside a Hot Wheels car. It must be done correctly. It’s the most important album of our mutha fuckin’ lives. Not just for me and Shaggy, but for many, many Juggalos as well.
We here at Psychopathic Records know exactly how to drop the 6th Joker’s card. We’ve had it planned for 10 years, and now we know the time is coming. Were going to do exactly what we set out to do 10 years ago. We ain’t changing shit. Especially now that major labels are involved. Fuck that. We’re going to do exactly what we said we’d do back when it was just us in Alex’s basement.
Alex Abbiss suddenly drops a business bomb...
Speaking of Island Records fucking things up, they fucked ICP and Twiztid up for the last time. People wanted news in this interview? We got news for that ass... Check this out. I am hereby making this announcement for the very first time. The Psychopathic Records family of ICP, Twiztid, and Blaze is once and for all leaving Island Records and heading to another label that I cannot give away at this time. All I can say is that it rhymes with "Dapitol Records" and it starts with a C. If you can’t figure that out, then you don’t need to know anything. Here is the deal. Island/Def Jam is enormous! They have so many million selling acts it’s amazing! They have DMX, Ja Rule, Jay Z, Nas, and on and on and on! They have no time to fuck with ICP and Twiztid because we are nothing like them other groups. Them other groups are easy to work. They just make a million dollar video, send it to MTV and BET and the rest is history. It don’t work like that with Psychopathic’s acts. We need street teams and road crews to work our shit. Island/Def Jam ain’t about none of that shit. Do you think that if Island was really involved with what ICP is doing, they would let shit like Rydas, and Psychopathics From Outer Space, and Dark Lotus and all of that shit go right by them? Fuck no! They would want their cut! Hell, we WANT them to have their cut and put out all of our shit! But every time we try it takes them four months to put out a record because their so backed up. Four Months? Fuck that. I’d rather drop that shit on the underground and have it out on Psychopathic in two weeks. Island is cool but we are way too different for that label.
Billy Bill adds...
Look, what many people don’t know is this.… When ICP first got dumped by Disney back in 1997, they signed with Island. At the time, Island was a small rock label. Everything was cool. We were great friends with everybody there. We liked Island’s President, their video people, their radio people, and all that. Well little did anybody know what was around the corner. Two years after we signed with them, they were bought! Universal Music came and purchased Island records out of nowhere. The first thing Universal did was fire the entire staff at Island! All of our friends and all the people that actually believed in ICP were all gone! Fired! Then Universal merged Island’s bands with Def Jam’s groups and now Def Jams’ people run everything at Island. Now Island’s official name is Island / Def Jam. The worst part about it is that none of the new folks at Island / Def Jam like ICP or Twiztid. That’s why we’re on our own. Psychopathic is just distributed by Island / Def Jam and nothing else. We’ll we want more record company support than that, and that is why we are leaving.
Alex Abbiss...
It takes time and it ain’t easy to just jump from one major label to another, but we’ve begun the long process. In about 6 months the entire transaction will have been made. Then we will be on the new label with new people actually getting behind ICP, Twiztid, and Blaze for a change.
Violent J explains something...
Look, I ain’t smart. I fuckin’ dropped outta school before I even had nut hairs. What I’m trying to say is that Psychopathic Records is our label. Island and them other labels just distribute our shit. They put it in the stores and make it so we ain’t so hard to find. All we ever hear Juggalos say is that they cannot find ICP anywhere. That’s why we need them. That’s why we need major label support. They get us out there so Juggalos can find it! That’s all they do for us. The Hatchet Man does the rest. Psychopathic Records does the real shit behind ICP, Twiztid, and Blaze. So fuck record labels. But anyway, fuck all that shit. Lets talk about something else. LET’S GET TO THE BIG SHIT....!
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